Talk:Lloyd Austin

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This article previously was a Wikipedia:Votes for deletion candidate. The archive vote can be viewed on Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Lloyd J. Austin--Rogerd 03:00, August 11, 2005 (UTC)

Speculation on future assignments[edit]

Speculation, for example on future assignments, can under no circumstances qualify as encyclopedic content. If the speculation is indeed accurate, it can be implemented into the article as soon as it is confirmed - but not before that. This goes whether the speculation is referenced to external sources or not. Hold on a few weeks, and try to keep cool! (talk) 10:27, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Why no middle initial?[edit]

Shouldn't the page be named "Lloyd J. Austin"? (including his middle initial)

For example, Raymond Odierno's page is "Raymond T. Odierno".

Sort of depends. If he's best known with his initial, then it could go in. I know the Army tends to prefer adding middle initials but either works, usually. —Ed!(talk) 01:03, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

His campaign and expeditionary medals[edit]

Some IP users are adding star's to his GWoTM-E (which would indicate he was awarded it three times) without providing any source other than a badly written other wikipedia article. He is not wearing anysuch in his official portrait nor was he wearing such when he testified before congress on TV a few days back.

Obviously I can't provide a source to prove a negative (proving that he doesn't have such), but going off his bio:

His first stint in Operation Iraqi Freedom (OIF) was with the 3rd until June 2003. This would of gotten him the GWOTM-E which he would of later had the option of exchanging for the Iraq Campaign Medal with 2 campaign star's for phases 1 and 2 (Liberation of Iraq & Transition of Iraq) - but given that he has 3 stars, all of which are explained as follows, he didn't convert it. He was in Afghanistan Sep 2003 to Aug 2005 for Operation Enduring Freedom (OEF). This would of gotten him the GWOTM-E OR the Afghanistan Campaign Medal with one campaign star (for Phase 2: Consolidation I), not both. Since he has the ACM w/1 star, not a second GWOTM-E (or he converted a second GWOTM-E into the ACM which would of replaced the second one). His second stint in Iraq as part of OIF was Feb 2008 to Apr 2009. This would of gotten him the Iraq Campaign Medal with 2 campaign stars (Phase's 5 & 6: Iraqi Surge & Iraqi Sovereignty). His third time in Iraq was Sep 2010-Dec 2011 for OIF and then operation New Dawn (OND). This would of gotten him another ICM campaign star for Phase 7: New Dawn)

In photo's and his recent televised appearance he has the GWOTM-E without stars (indicating one awarding), the ACM with one star (for one Phase) and the ICM with 3 stars for three phases. So it would seem to be as follows:

He got the GWOTM-E for his first stint in OIF (until June 2003). For OEF (Sep '03-Aug '05) he got the ACM. For his second (Feb '08-Apr '09) and thrid stint's (Sep '10-Dec '11) in Iraq (OIF, transitioning into OND) he got the ICM.

Obviously that reasoning can't be put in the article because it would be classed as OR, and I'm not suggesting it should be, but there's no source showing him having service stars on his GWoTM-E nor even any decent reasoning so such should definately not be in the article (especially when visual evidence contradicts it).

On a related note, for completeness sake... I'm not sure when/where he got the AFEM? Operation Desert Spring perhaps? Gecko G (talk) 00:28, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

Also, I just noticed that for all three (now four) IP adrress, they all trace back to the same on WHOIS. Gecko G (talk) 23:51, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

His Campaign Stars[edit]

For the campaign stars on his Iraq and Afghanistan medals, I'm not sure how (or even if) to cite based on his March 26th appearance before Congress (I think it was a Senate Committee specifically). Most search's return the Reuters coverage version, which is not clear enough to make out. There is this c-span coverage, can that work? Gecko G (talk) 07:14, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

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