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Claudio Castagnoli[edit]

Moved from my talk page (wrong place!) -- ZH8000 (talk) 19:47, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

You keep removing Claudio Castagnoli from the Notable People section and I believe this is totally unnecessary. You've once flagged the edit as "Totally Unknown" and "Irrelevant" but that is gross ignorance. Claudio Castagnoli (ring name Cesaro) is a big name in professional wrestling and is currently signed to the largest pro-wrestling promotion in the world, WWE. He is a multi time champion, Pro Wrestling Illustrated named him the 13th greatest singles wrestler of 2014, Wrestling Observer Newsletter award him the "Most Underrated Wrestler" award a record four times (2013-16), and he appears on a successful internationally broadcasted television show weekly. -- (talk) 05:52, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

I would like an explanation to this, as well. Boomer VialHolla! We gonna ball! 06:03, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
This might be true, but is totally irrelevant to be listed on the notable people list of Lucerne. First of all your wrestler is totally unknown not only in Lucerne but the entirety of Switzerland, secondly, wrestling is hardly known in Switzerland, if not fully ignored, and thirdly, the very tiny list is about people with an profound (cultural) impact on Lucerne. There would be literally ten of thousands other people with more relevance to Lucerne than your wrestler. Just to be born in Lucerne is simply not relevant. -- ZH8000 (talk) 13:45, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
According to Google trends Claudio Castagnoli (under his ring name Cesaro) is on average more popular within Switzerland than every other person listed in 'Notable People 1950-today'. Also "wrestling is hardly known in Switzerland, if not fully ignored" is wrong as Zurich & Geneva are regular stops in WWE's European tours with the events drawing thousands of spectators. (talk) 16:40, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
LOL. Hey, anonymous from Canada! You are a funny guy. Not. By any chance, are you the wrestler by himself, trying to promote yourself in wrestling desert Switzerland!? That would indeed be laughable.
Well, your wrestler seem to find the one or other click currently (12 searches a day? Wow, that's even laughable for Swiss standards). But that is not the relevant factor. And accordings to the survey by the Federal Sports Ministry (BASPO) the factsheet from 2014 lists 56 different prominent sports in Switzerland, but wrestling does not even appear on this list! Yes, you will always find a few people to watch any sport. And finally, the most important aspect: his impact on Lucerne is NIL. So please calm down, play with your toys, and let the adults do their work. -- ZH8000 (talk) 18:40, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
Hello ZH8000. As an experienced Wikipedia user and an admin I've been asked to look into this. While I am concerned that there is a long unsourced list of notable people on the Lucerne article, which runs counter to the advice in WP:ListFormat, WP:VERIFY, and WP:BLPSOURCES, and so would understand if someone were attempting to remove or tidy up the entire section, your arbitrary decision to remove and then edit war with another user over the inclusion of one particular notable person is somewhat baffling. Can you explain your reluctance to have Cesaro (wrestler) mentioned in the article. I suspect you may have mistaken him for someone else. Or you may be under a misapprehension as to what is out of scope in an article - we don't put information into an article based on what a select group (in this case the inhabitants of one city in Switzerland) feel, we are a global encyclopedia, so we provide information for everyone. We decide what is in scope for an article based on reliable sources, such as these: [1], [2], [3], [4], [5]. You'll note that in those sources, that he is Swiss is of particular interest, and that he is from Lucurne is considered important information. So, mentioning him in the article is entirely appropriate. Unless you have a policy supported reason for keeping him out of the article, which I'd be interested to hear, it looks like you made a mistake. I am, however, also concerned about the way you have dealt with this situation - getting involved in a slow edit war, and then your unpleasant personal remarks above. That is against our guidelines. I can't see any excuse for that. My suggestion here is that you strike the personal comments from your above message and apologise to It's worth reading WP:UNCIVIL and WP:BITE. And if, after reflecting on my comments you agree you have been mistaken, then either revert yourself on Lucerne, or at least allow others to edit that article according to our policies and guidelines. I'll keep this page watchlisted for your reply. Regards SilkTork ✔Tea time 13:17, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
Well, I could make a lot of (useless) words. But let's make it brief and short: Firstly, this article is about the town of Lucerne, nothing else. And especially not about another town or village. Secondly, Claudio Castagnoli is not from Lucerne at all, though falsly used as his home town that way probably by himself in public (but still wrong), probably – I am obviously speculating – since Lucerne is many times more prominent than his real home town and many times better useable for his own promotion worldwide, and probably quite important money-wise, namely: the village of Weggis. It is true that Weggis is part of the canton of Lucerne, but clearly on the other side of the lake and definitely not part of Lucerne. I would propose to list him there. – And finally, I have still the impression that WP should be an encyclopedia. That primarily means providing facts, not fake-news. Well, this is possibly the wrong era we live in to ask for precisement, correctness, honesty, and seriosity. We will see. - ZH8000 (talk) 19:44, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for your response. I will deal with this myself. SilkTork ✔Tea time 22:59, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

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