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Some topic names to look for: JOHN MACKEY, LONGE TOME, and JOHN SQUIRES King of Aromattskeet/Mattaumuskeet Indians. (These were left on the article page by another editor.)--Parkwells (talk) 13:42, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Tribe listed as extent

Please remove this. We are not extinct. The descendants of the Machapunga tribe are still here. Some still reside in Hyde County, North Carolina. I should know, I am a descendent. Brchance1 (talk) 02:14, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

We rely on reliable sources, not personal claims. --ZimZalaBim ^talk 02:19, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Who are You? What proof do YOU have that we are extinct? You would love for my people to be extinct. However, we are still here some still live in the present day Hyde County. Come to our powwow on September 22 in Manteo, NC and tell me how extinct I am.

Brian Chance Brchance1 (talk) 02:27, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I am merely working to ensure our articles adhere to our policies about reliable sources. And I would suggest that a people being "extinct as a tribe" does not mean there aren't descendants. --ZimZalaBim ^talk 14:25, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A tribe is a political entity as well as an ethnic group. Historical Native American tribes often no longer exist as tribes but can still have descendants. Echoing User:ZimZalaBim, all content on Wikipedia has to be verifiable and backed by published citations (you can click on the blue links to read the guidelines). A contemporary cultural heritage group can have an article if it meets notability guidelines for organizations. Yuchitown (talk) 22:49, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Single-purpose accounts

IP account 2603:6080:950A:8F28:3C57:7EA7:4F27:C625 (DIFF), User:Brchance1 (DIFF1, DIFF2), and User:The Machapunga Tribe of North Carolina (DIFF) have all made similar edits to this article, apparently promoting the present-day organization, the "Machapunga Tribe of North Carolina." These single-purpose accounts are pushing uncited, orginal research pushing a specific point of view and promoting their organization.

The Machapunga Tribe of North Carolina doesn't meet basic criteria for notability, so creating its own Wikipedia article is not an option. They only have a Facebook page with 12 followers. The Algonquian Indians of North Carolina Inc., a nonprofit established in 2004 in Elizabeth City, NC, is mentioned in a few secondary, published sources, but it would be a challenge to establish their notability. I added both organizations, and the alternate name "Machapunga/Mattamuskeet Tribe", to the List of organizations that self-identify as Native American tribes#North Carolina. –Yuchitown (talk) 16:30, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Back in 2022, IP User 75.170.53.90 made similar edits (DIFF), as did User:The Machapunga Tribe whom User:Cullen328 soft-blocked due to their username (see talk). Then User:Mackeyedits made related edits about "230 members" (DIFF). All of this is infrequent and limited to just the Machapunga article, so still fairly easily to contain for now. Yuchitown (talk) 23:23, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yuchitown, if ongoing problems develop, I can semi-protect the article. Cullen328 (talk) 00:53, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]