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So when should we move?[edit]

Since no one answered this above, I’ll ask again: At what point should a move from Macintosh be seriously considered? —174.141.182.82 (talk) 19:37, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

We shouldn't move it, the proposal failed. Move it along, we just finished discussing the subject. Don't discuss it for the next 4 months. -- 65.94.171.126 (talk) 04:05, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
Unilaterally declaring the topic off limits really does nothing to help. —174.141.182.82 (talk) 19:56, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
You were answered repeatedly during each of your redundant posts, already redundant to the same discussion a year ago after which nothing (namely Apple's explicit canon) has changed. You automatically filter out dissent, and talk over it reiteratively like "groundhog day". (WP:ICANTHEARYOU) In other words, what 65.94.171.126 said. — Smuckola (Email) (Talk) 05:12, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
We shouldn't, and we won't, for the foreseeable future. This has already been recently discussed; See the above discussion. - Denimadept (talk) 06:03, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
I’m not saying we should move it, and I’m not asking when we should restart the debate. I’m asking specifically when a move would be desirable, what events we ought to wait for, what it would take for the opposers of that RM to support a move. For instance, does the non-historical use of “Macintosh” need to more substantially die out, so that sources like Macworld and Adobe no longer use it? Or do we need to wait for an official proclamation from Apple, and if so, why give the official brand name more precedence here than we normally do? @Smuckola: Responses free of personal allegations (which belong on my still-waiting Talk page and do not belong here) would be more helpful here, and much less likely for me to “filter out.” —174.141.182.82 (talk) 19:56, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
So why are we talking about it? What needs to happen? Apple changing the name retroactively would probably do it. - Denimadept (talk) 20:26, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
“…and if so, why give the official brand name more precedence here than we normally do?” I sincerely doubt Apple will ever officially deprecate “Macintosh,” but doesn’t real-world use in reliable third-party sources trump that? —174.141.182.82 (talk) 20:34, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
See the above archived discussion. - Denimadept (talk) 20:37, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
Maybe I’m just dense, but the only real answer I see there is that the use of “Macintosh” would need to drop further before a move would be viable. Is that it, or was there more? And I don’t see any discussion of official name vs real-world use, if that’s what you mean. —174.141.182.82 (talk) 20:57, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
I mean #Requested move 08 July 2014, as well as #Requested move which is from 2012. This topic comes up every once in a while. We've discussed it as recently as earlier this month. It's a dead topic for now. Come back in 2016. - Denimadept (talk) 21:06, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
Yes, I’m aware of my recent RM. Some of the discussion in there was uninformative and even unproductive. That’s why I felt the need to ask what I did in this section and prompt some informative responses. Now since I’ve apparently missed the information you tried to point me to, would you mind stating it explicitly? What needs to change for a move, if there was something other than the use of “Macintosh” dropping further? —174.141.182.82 (talk) 21:18, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
oic. Well, IIRC, I didn't participate in that discussion because it wasn't an issue for me. My position is that there's no need for a move. The computer line has been named "Macintosh" since its announcement in 1984, and nothing has changed. I don't care about the vernacular; this is the official name and the name I use personally when I'm being formal. I have a "Macintosh SE", a "Macintosh Quadra 630", a "Macintosh G5", and a "MacBook Pro", but they're all Macintosh computers. For me, it'd take the end of the Macintosh line, or Apple saying they were formally renaming the line. - Denimadept (talk) 21:42, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
It's also useful for differentiating it from MAC address. - Denimadept (talk) 21:44, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
All right, thanks. Sorry for my difficulty in getting the intended question across. —174.141.182.82 (talk) 21:51, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Comment I didn't take part in the above RM discussion but for what its worth, I would have opposed the move. The line was introduced as the Macintosh back in 1984. Each incarnation has its own article and name, so theres no reason for moving the main article at all.--JOJ Hutton 21:49, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
    Does WP:COMMONNAME have any bearing on the name of a product line? Like, if it happened that no sources outside of Apple called the line “Macintosh” anymore (which is not presently the case), would that be grounds for a move? —174.141.182.82 (talk) 22:06, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
What if wishes were fishes? What if the Titanic didn't sink? What if? - Denimadept (talk) 22:09, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
Then we’d have to rewrite the Titanic article. Face-tongue.svg And if use of this full name died out in reliable sources—which is something that could realistically happen—I assume we’d have to move this article. Am I wrong? —174.141.182.82 (talk) 22:15, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
This is a volunteer effort largely run by consensus. If consensus changed, we'd change the name. What would cause consensus to change is largely speculative. I don't think we can come up with a definitive answer to your question. I figure that there's zero chance of this changing, as even if Apple were to retroactively change the name, we'd still record what the name had been. - Denimadept (talk) 22:26, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
A perfect answer, I think. Thank you. —174.141.182.82 (talk) 03:04, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

"Unibody" issues[edit]

The term is linked at its 2nd mention in the text, though it is wikilinked in the infobox: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monocoque. The target article does not mention anything other than large vehicles, so whilst the reader may draw an analogy from this that they could probably work out anyway, I challenge the appropriateness of having the link at all. Personally, I was browsing for *specific* information on the nature of the difference in construction of the earlier aluminium bodies with the so-called unibody ones. Anyone in the intimate know care to add a section to Monocoque, or a wlink to another Mac article section where this is better defined? Trev M   16:06, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

That unibody does not currently discuss unibody construction outside of vehicles does not affect its appropriateness as a wikilink in the Macintosh article; it's no different, really, from adding a link that is currently a red link. In either case, linking is done in hopes that the target will at some point be created (or, in the unibody case, updated) with appropriate information. Ylee (talk) 17:35, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
I agree that Wikipedia should have an article about unibody construction. Unibody had redirected to the tiny subsection Vehicle frame#Unibody (which I just added a very brief description to), and Monocoque states that a unibody is a different thing from a monocoque. Unfortunately, I’m not aware of a better link at present. —174.141.182.82 (talk) 04:22, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Edit Request - Narrative is incorrect[edit]

By the time that Apple launched the Macintosh in 1984, the IBM PC had already established market dominance. The Mac was never "overtaken" by the IBM PC, because the Mac was never in a leadership position. In fact the Apple II outsold the Mac for several years after the Mac introduction.

This is helpful to review: http://arstechnica.com/features/2005/12/total-share/5/ Hhwong (talk) 00:06, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Went ahead and fixed it myself Hhwong (talk) 22:51, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Google docs entries dead[edit]

It appears that the footnotes to Google Docs no longer work. I'd remove them, but wonder if someone knows how to restore them to their original form. Thanks. -- Michael Scott Cuthbert (talk) 17:38, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

Ah, these were all replaced by Macintosh919977 on 23 Feb. 2015 -- is there a way to remove these two edits but retain changes since then? -- Michael Scott Cuthbert (talk) 17:46, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

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