Talk:Malvern, Worcestershire

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Good article Malvern, Worcestershire has been listed as one of the Geography and places good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
Article milestones
Date Process Result
January 12, 2010 Good article nominee Listed
July 7, 2011 Peer review Reviewed
December 3, 2016 Featured article candidate Not promoted
Current status: Good article
edit·history·watch·refresh Stock post message.svg To-do list for Malvern, Worcestershire:

Here are some tasks awaiting attention:
  • Article requests : Add a map of Malvern town council wards
  • Expand : 20th century Section
  • Other : Malvern has a wealth of architecture from many periods. Develop a substantial section on architecture, and if it gets too big split most of it off to a main article.


Verifiability of doctors and patients[edit]

Sentence about hydrotherapy patients needed change because of following in article cited re Dickens. "om March 15 he was in Malvern settling his wife into the care of Dr. James Wilson ...". So had to (1) change mention of Gully to mention of Wilson and Gully, (2) drop "famous", (3) include reference, (4) for consistency up to that point, put in reference for Darwin -- it reads "about two years out of this time was lost by illness. On this account I went in 1848 for some months to Malvern for hydropathic treatment ...". The Dickens item led to distinction of the two Wilson's in hydrotherapy article. Getting the verifiability for these two was useful. Should reference-needed template be put in for other patients? Michael P. Barnett (talk)

School merge[edit]

I have suggested that The Downs Malvern should be merged to the Malvern article as it is a non-notable primary school, as per WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES. Any comments would be appreciated. CalzGuy (talk) 10:51, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

  1. Absolutely not, CalzGuy. This is a particularly notable school and a stable article for 12 years, contributed to by serious, highly experienced editors. Just because it's a primary school doesn't mean we systematically deete all primary schools OUTCOMES is neither a policy nor a guideline but is supportive of Wikipedia's generally inclusonist philosophy. In fact it's even slated to become a Good Article sometime soon. Please take a moment to learn more about how Wikipedia works, before making more such suggestions.
  2. Malvern is a Good Artice. It's not far off being prepared for FA. The last thing it needs now is unnecessary additions additions. Thanks. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:53, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
So what is particularly notable about it? And when you say it is slated to be a good article soon, how come it is assessed as Start class?There is nothing in the article about the school except a bit of history and a bunch of unreferenced former pupils WP:INHERIT. The Auden stuff could easily be merged into his article, if it's not already there, and the history could easily go to a section in Malvern, or in Malvern College. The article title is not even the correct school name. It has 5 references and no photography. It is nowhere near being a Good Article. CalzGuy (talk) 14:09, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
Its more notable features include its founding as a Quaker school, the Downs Light Railway and the historical association with W H Auden. The article name has nothing to do with whether the article should be kept. This nomination is bordering on the mischievious, your time would be better spent improving the article. — Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 17:07, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
Can I just point out that the school isn't actually in Malvern - it's in not only a different parish but a different county!! If it's going to be merged it should be with Colwall. Sumorsǣte (talk) 18:07, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
You can indeed, Sumorsǣte, and thank you for doing so - It would certainly not belong in the Malvern article. Nevertheless, as a point of interest, the large village of Colwall is right on the border of Worcestershire-Hereforshire and being well within the urban agglomeration of Mavern, is actually one of its (non political) suburbs. It's 5 minutes by train, 10 minutes by car from Great Malvern, but a 40 minute drive to Hereford, its county town. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:08, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

I was asked to comment, as I've frequently been involved in schools discussions. Junior high schools and the (approximate) UK equivalent, preparatory schools, are not generally notable. There are exceptions, and in practice the basic criterion is that the schools are nationally known (as for many other types of organizations) . Due to the unique nature of the UK educational system, such schools are often found in the UK (many of the intermediate schools elsewhere are either intermediate school combined with secondary schools, or International schools which are a special case, but a number are left-overs from before the schools compromise was established & really should be merged).

This particular school is not just nationally known, but internationally, and not just well-known, but famous. In the days before the schools compromise, the best way to establish s school as notable was to shown famous alumni. This school clearly qualifies.

If we were to rely on the GNG, there would be no trouble showing this notable. And if we ever did merge, the appropriate merge would be with the associated secondary school. DGG ( talk ) 19:13, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for that. Can you clarify what you mean by 'nationally known'? For a nationally known school, I would expect not insignificant coverage in national newspapers or other media and I just can't find it. Am I missing something? CalzGuy (talk) 16:53, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
I have been wondering about that too. There are several Downs Schools and in such a situation finding relevant hits on any related topic is hard work. Googling "The downs" "light railway" -"south downs" gets 5,340 hits, while "The downs" "W H Auden" hits 9.840 and on Google Books 1,610. Checkout too the Wikipedia articles which link to it. I don't know how other primary and preparatory schools compare with that kind of statistic, but this article clearly passes GNG. If I were to take any merge proposal seriously, it would be to merge the Downs Light Railway into the school article, although I suspect that the railway wikiproject would have something to say about that. — Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 20:23, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
There are lots of miniature railways that have their own articles, even if they are part of a park, school, etc otherwise. I suggest keeping things as they are, both for the school and the railway articles. Sumorsǣte (talk) 20:42, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
Your recent edits have improved the article significantly. If it is merged I'm pretty agnostic about destination but as you say it is looking unlikely now. CalzGuy (talk) 20:47, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

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