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Mani Majra article should be deleted and moved to Sector 13, Chandigarh.

This town, Mani majra has now been renamed as Sector 13 by UT Government of Chandigarh. This age title should be changed and it can be only done by mooving this page to its new title i.e. Sector 13 Chandigarh. This should be done ASAP as now there is no need of Mani Majra term as it is causing confusion regarding it official name. The latest official name was decided by government in January and should now been done the same on Wikipedia.^[1]^[2] Taal Saptak (talk) 11:33, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Pioneer, The. "Chandigarh gets Sector 13 after 53 years". The Pioneer. No. 04 January 2020. Retrieved 17 June 2020.
^ Pioneer, The. "Manimajra named Sector 13, new names of eight areas notified". The Pioneer. No. 11 February 2020. Retrieved 17 June 2020.

Requested move 17 June 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

It was proposed in this section that Mani Majra be renamed and moved to Sector 13, Chandigarh.

result:
Not moved. Closing this a bit early in the face of overwhelming policy-based opposition and also other concerns noted below. In the future and whenever possible, editors are asked to please strongly consider all policies and guidelines, as noted in this discussion, before submitting a move request. Kudos to editors for your input, and Happy Publishing! (nac by page mover) P.I. Ellsworth ed. ^put'r there 19:14, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Mani Majra → Sector 13, Chandigarh – Mani Majra article should be deleted and moved to Sector 13, Chandigarh. This town, Mani majra has now been renamed as Sector 13 by UT Government of Chandigarh. This page title should be changed and it can be only done by mooving this page to its new title i.e. Sector 13 Chandigarh. This should be done ASAP as now there is no need of Mani Majra term as it is causing confusion regarding it official name. The latest official name was decided by government in January and should now been done the same on Wikipedia.^[1]^[2]

References

^ Pioneer, The. "Chandigarh gets Sector 13 after 53 years". The Pioneer. No. 04 January 2020. Retrieved 17 June 2020.
^ Pioneer, The. "Manimajra named Sector 13, new names of eight areas notified". The Pioneer. No. 11 February 2020. Retrieved 17 June 2020.

– Taal Saptak (talk) 11:41, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME and WP:OFFICIALNAME. Mani Majra is an historic town that existed long before Chandigarh was even thought of. Is there any evidence that everyone now suddenly calls it Sector 13 and the old name has been abandoned? I very much doubt it, especially as there's evidence that many residents object to the change. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:59, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

hi, User:Necrothesp the evidence you have provided is old and outdated as it is of 4th December 2019. The decision has been changed after that. The final decision regarding this has been declared on 5th January 2020. And the residents of Modern Housing Complex Manimajra had welcomed this move by U.T. Government in a Thanks giving Ceremony . This news published next day on 6th january 2020 in national newspaper.

1). https://m.timesofindia.com/city/chandigarh/manimajra-to-be-renamed-sector-13-residents-elated/amp_articleshow/73114749.cms .

2). https://www.hindustantimes.com/chandigarh/chandigarh-s-manimajra-is-now-sector-13/story-ploFPCA4UGpDu9ksUxLtdL.html

Taal Saptak (talk) 18:07, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

As I said, read WP:OFFICIALNAME: People often assume that, where an official name exists for the subject of a Wikipedia article, that name is ipso facto the correct title for the article, and that if the article is under another title then it should be moved. In many cases this is contrary to Wikipedia practice and policy. And a quote from the first source you cite: It is auspicious for the residents of Manimajra to be a part of Sector 13 now. That suggests they still use the old name. They're just saying they're happy it's now formally been acknowledged to be a part of Chandigarh. -- Necrothesp (talk) 09:40, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi man, please read carefully about a topic before making a decision. Manimajra is not part of sector 13 rather it is now itself sector 13. And also that you are yourself proving your previous evidence is false. The evidence you had made claimed that people are not happy and the were fumed by this . But now you are yourself saying the opposite that they are happy with this decision. Please research about the topic more. I am myself a resident of chandigarh and i have a thorough knowledge of the laws of India. Also that its the residents of Modern Housing Complex (M.H.C) which conducted the thanks giving ceremony for renaming Manimajra to Sector 13. And these residents of Modern Housing Complex said they are happy to be part of sector 13 Chandigarh . Cause Modern Housing complex is just a small society in Manimajra. There are many more societies in Manimajra like Rajeev Vihar, SUppal Marble Arch Apartments, Shanti Nagar, Subhash Nagar and many more. Please read carefully before making any claims. Taal Saptak (talk) 11:16, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Also that i had asked to get this only after reading WP:OFFICIALNAME.Taal Saptak (talk) 11:19, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't say it was part of Sector 13; the residents did! That was a direct quote from the newspaper article you cited. How many other sectors of Chandigarh have their own article? None. The reason this does is because it's a town that predates Chandigarh, which has had the name for long before the city existed. Long-standing settlements don't suddenly change their names to impersonal names like Sector 13 just because the government makes a decision! In reality, people continue to use the old name. That's why Wikipedia has WP:COMMONNAME. Incidentally, what has your "thorough knowledge of the laws of India" got to do with anything? This is Wikipedia; we're not bound by the laws of India or anywhere else. We have our own policies and guidelines which are not superseded by a government declaration. This is a common misconception, hence the existence of such guidelines as WP:OFFICIALNAME. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:53, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I am sorry i didn't mean anything hurtful. I had just requested wikipedia to get the official new name on their article pages and remove the old name. I know wikipedia is not bound by any government but the thing is if wikipedia's information provides people with a false statement, then it should be changed. Because most people use google maps and google maps is dependent upon wikipidea for showing place information and name too, this is leading to confusion as postal address given by government shows Sector 13 where as google maps shows Manimajra. Hence people are not able to identify the correct location of restaurants, clubs, banks, shops, markets, grounds and other offices due to wrong information . That's why i request you to kindly move this article to Sector 13, Chandigarh. Taal Saptak (talk) 14:31, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Also the residents of M.H.C said they are happy to be part of Sector 13. Not the residents of Manimajra said that. As i had mentioned earlier that residents of M.H.C (Modern Housing Complex) is just a small society in Mani Majra. There are many more societies like Rajeev Vihar, Shanti Nagar, Shubhash nagar and others etc. Which i had already mentioned earlier. Olease read carefully what the newspaper says. Taal Saptak (talk) 19:29, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There is no false statement. It is Mani Majra and it is also Sector 13 of Chandigarh. Where's the false statement there? Are you really claiming that from the date of its incorporation as Sector 13 nobody has ever referred to it as Mani Majra and never will ever again and that everyone now refers to it as Sector 13? Sorry, but that's clearly rubbish. That's not how human beings work. -- Necrothesp (talk) 22:25, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Taal Saptak:, you need to read WP:COMMONNAME. Wikipedia can't change the page title just because the government made a decision. It should stay at the current title until the new name become the common name. TryKid ^{[dubious – discuss]} 04:13, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

TryKid, that's what i am trying to tell you thay the new name , Sector 13 has become more common than Mani Majra. Also to clarify that people in that area know very well that its is the old name of sector 13. But they prefer using the new name Sector 13 because thwy feel happy to be acknowledged being a part of Chandigarh as a sector. According to WP:COMMONNAME and WP:OFFICIALNAME it should be Sector 13 rather than Mani Majra.

Note canvassing. User:Taal Saptak posted to my talkpage about this discussion, explicitly seeking my support for this proposal. Note that a total of ten editors have been canvassed: see these edits.

This is multiple posting of a non-neutral message is blatant WP:VOTESTACKING. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 04:33, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I am sorry i BrownHairedGirl (talk). I just wanted to seek ur attention towards this topic. I fu feel i did wrong then please pardon me. Also i am not gonna post the message to anyone else now if you feel i had done wrong. Taal Saptak (talk) 05:30, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Partial Support: I noticed that you posted a request in my talk page to participate in this discussion. I also read the newspaper articles and the Wikipedia policies mentioned above. As you mentioned that it has become very difficult for the people to locate the restaurants, clubs, banks, shops, etc. I agree with you. However, we cannot be totally sure that all the people, who are familiar with the name Manimajra, are aware that the name has been changed to Sector 13. I am not talking about the residents. I am talking about them, who either have visited Manimajra or have read about its history. The Wikipedia policy, WP:OFFICIALNAME mentions the same thing: Article titles should be recognizable to readers, unambiguous, and consistent with usage in reliable English-language sources. The name change has indeed been mentioned by reliable sources. But, people will not be aware of this name unless these sources mention only Sector 13 in their articles, and not Manimajra. Moreover, it was also a princely state during the Sikh and the British era. I understand the problem of the residents of that area, so I have sent a feedback to Google Maps for doing the necessary changes. Otherwise, I do not think that changing the name immediately would be accurate. People should be given some time, at least one or two years, to recognise the new name. Arnab2305 (talk) 06:12, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Taal Saptak, I would suggest that you request the residents of Sector 13 to individually send a feedback to Google Maps, if they are really facing any difficulty in locating restaurants, shops, etc. in Sector 13 due to name change. It may be helpful for Google Maps to know the general consensus of the people of that area. I hope that the problem faced by the people gets solved soon. Arnab2305 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 07:04, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Do not rename to Sector 13, but perhaps Rename to "Manimajra" . Googling on the one hand "sector 13" Chandigarh and on the other hand Manimajra or Mani majra finds no hits on sector 13 apart from those discussing the formal name, but plenty of recent hits using the common name, with or without (but more often without) a space: examples being 10 hurt after Manimajra residents clash with cops over woman’s death (1 April 2020), Housing societies demand sealing of walls with Manimajra village in Chandigarh (3 May 2020). PamD 07:35, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Brought here by the blatant canvassing on a talk page on my watchlist. PamD 07:36, 19 June 2020 (UTC))[reply]

Oppose: The title of the current article should be retained for the time being per WP:COMMONNAME. I also disagree with the suggestion to rename the article as Manimajra as the area is classically spelled Mani Majra. I will, however, redirect Sector 13, Chandigarh, to this article. I hope this helps. With regards, Anupam^Talk 08:03, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Arnab2305 ,thank youcfor your suggestion. I really appriciate your words . But sadly there is no way to do it on google maps without foing it om Wikipedea as google relies upon wikipedea for placd info box. Hope google maps might uodate thier maps without the help of Wikipedea as it seems wikipedea ratjer depends upon the popular yet common information rather the latest realtime information. Thank you man. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Taal Saptak (talk • contribs) 08:23, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: Keep status-quo, the place is of historical importance and the title of the current article should be retained (the article may be edited to reflect that it is part of Sector 13, Chandigarh, BTW, in the lead that is already mentioned), may be a new article should be created for Sector 13, Chandigarh.

Regarding, Manimajra & Mani Majra, Manimajra already redirects to Mani Majra but there is an article named Manimajra Fort (without space) which is definitely related to Manimajra/Mani Majra.

Brought here by the request-post on my talk page.--Fz^tc_s 00:41, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

[1] Pioneer, The. "Chandigarh gets Sector 13 after 53 years". The Pioneer. No. 04 January 2020. Retrieved 17 June 2020.

[2] Pioneer, The. "Manimajra named Sector 13, new names of eight areas notified". The Pioneer. No. 11 February 2020. Retrieved 17 June 2020.

[3] Pioneer, The. "Chandigarh gets Sector 13 after 53 years". The Pioneer. No. 04 January 2020. Retrieved 17 June 2020.

[4] Pioneer, The. "Manimajra named Sector 13, new names of eight areas notified". The Pioneer. No. 11 February 2020. Retrieved 17 June 2020.

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