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A fact from Mari Gerekmezyan appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 27 May 2013 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Turkey's first female sculptor was Mari Gerekmezyan, an ethnic Armenian?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2013/May. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Mari Gerekmezyan.

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first?

I don't know, was she the first woman in Turkey and also a sculptor, therefore the first female sculptor in Turkey? Or is sculpting something you get certified on, it was invented on 1/1/1930, and she was the first to apply and is therefore the frist female sculptor in Turkey? You know what I mean. Insert at least "notable" or something, although this would continue to be highly questionable. Seattle Jörg (talk) 10:27, 27 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I also can't believe this DYK was passed with that hook. An "early female Turkish sculptor" at least. Gareth E Kegg (talk) 20:29, 27 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

She was the first. If you beg to differ with another sculptor, then your criticisms will prove valid. But there are no differing opinions and therefore the claim will remain as such. In fact, the first male sculptor was an Armenian too. See: Yervant Voskan. Proudbolsahye (talk) 21:03, 27 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Do you mean Modern Turkey? Wikipedia just doesn't make statements such as this, they can never be verified. Who is the first X of any country? Gareth E Kegg (talk) 21:38, 27 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I would have to go into a very deep explanation of Islam and their negative views of sculptures and idolatry to give you a proper context as to how it can be possible that a Christian man and woman are the first sculptors in Turkey. In Turkey, the fact that Gerekmezyan is the first sculptor in Turkey, is not a debatable issue. In fact, she is known to be the first even when there is such controversy regarding anything Armenian in general in Turkey. In the end of the day, the article reflects the sources and I don't believe there is anything wrong with that. Proudbolsahye (talk) 21:57, 27 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not concerned with their religion or ethnic origin, Seattle Jörg's initial comment expresses the impossibility of making statements such as these. When we consider the History of Turkey, we encompass all previous incarnations of the region. There's probably an FA up for grabs for History of Turkish sculpture! Gareth E Kegg (talk) 22:20, 27 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Well I'm totally fine with your "considered" addition. Thank you. Proudbolsahye (talk) 22:24, 27 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You're a great editor. Sorry i'm so picnicky :) Gareth E Kegg (talk) 12:43, 28 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the kind words GEK. You're a mighty fine editor yourself. Proudbolsahye (talk) 18:44, 28 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Not the first Turkish female sculptor

Mari is not the first Turkish woman sculptor, there are several older Turkish female sculptors. Sabiha Bengütaş is considered the first Turkish female sculptor. Mari may however be the first Armenian female sculptor.--GlobalSecretary (talk) 14:52, 27 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]