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A bit US-centric?[edit]

Nothing at all about the Czarist Russian Sharpshooter battalions of the Imperial Guard? Oh well... Something for me to write up, I guess...TLein 10:48, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

WTF IS WITH WANNABES?

the English wiki is always Anglo-centric, and has an English language focus. Rds865 (talk) 06:11, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

"In the British Armed Forces, marksman is traditionally the highest shooting rating. Holders of the rating wear a crossed rifles badge on the lower sleeve." ...The crossed rifles badge is that of a sniper. Currently there is no other badge issued within the british army for a marksman, and certainly not one of crossed rifles. Candidate for deletion, unless someone can clarify with good sources. (Silverstar189 (talk) 00:21, 3 May 2008 (UTC))

Crossed rifles is a marksman designation. there is an "S" in between the barrels for a sniper. Here's an old (1984) recruiting poster with them on the bottom left: [1] RayBarker (talk) 10:18, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Individually?[edit]

I corrected the bit about snipers acting alone. There may indeed be cases for this so I left it as "rarely" since a lone sniper is certainly the exception not the rule.

Sharpshooter[edit]

The term sharpshooter should be explained. The term comes from the Sharps rifle... Contralya (talk) 10:18, 15 December 2007 (UTC)


well, i don`t think so. i just read an article about the american revolution, where some hessian troops were regarded as sharpshooters. so i think, this term is some strange translation of german "scharfschutze". besides (i`ve no proof however), i think these early breech-loaders were inferior in accuracy compared to rifled muskets e.g. the springfield model 1861. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.232.38.57 (talk) 15:08, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Fred Ray, author of Shock Troops of the Confederacy, wrote that the word sharpshooter was widely used in the early 19th Century. He asserted that it was derived from the German scharfschutzen. The Sharps rifle was not patented until 1848.Bruin2 (talk) 15:16, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Ray also stressed that marksmen and sharpshooters are not really synonyms. In the U. S. Civil War, sharpshooters were organized military units that had many assignments besides shooting individual targets. Only excellent marksmen were accepted for duty as sharpshooters, but not all military marksmen became sharpshooters. Maybe the term sharpshooter deserves its own page.Bruin2 (talk) 15:28, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

SDM/DM not explained[edit]

I just noticed that the first subsection uses the acronym SDM/DM without explanation. I believe this refers- one second- 74.132.62.250 (talk) 01:59, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, to the "squad designated marksman" / "designated marksman" referred to in the introduction. This acronym would be best noted in the intro with "(also known as SDM/DM)" at the end of the sentence in which those titles are introduced. However, it seems that I can't edit the intro. Anyone willing and able, please do so! 74.132.62.250 (talk) 02:02, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

About Sniper vs. SDM/DM: "in teams consisting of snipers and observers". Wouldn't that be teams consisting of one sniper and one "observer" (I've seen various designations for this role, hence the quotes)? The wording makes it sound like a "team" consists of (n*snipers+m*observers), when the grouping AFAIK really is n*(sniper+observer). 87.227.18.143 (talk) 23:51, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Inconsistency[edit]

the article says "marksman is an individual who is trained to shoot precisely with a certain type of rifle." now the phrase a "certain type of rifle" implies that a marksman is only uses rifle a a certain kind, that is not named. However the article mentions accuracy with pistols and has a picture of a bowmen. Rds865 (talk) 06:15, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Olympic Shooters[edit]

are the Olympic shooters considered marksmen? Rds865 (talk) 22:06, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Tag & Assess 2008[edit]

Article reassessed and graded as start class. --dashiellx (talk) 11:23, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Dubious claim[edit]

Currently this:

Because of the accuracy of these riflemen, many British officers removed their insignia to prevent the Americans from targeting them

Really? Then those officers would have had to strip to their smallclothes, since they wore entirely different uniforms and kit from the rankers.

Marksmanship, Marksman, and Sniper[edit]

This article redirects from marksmanship, but it seems like this article is basically a small extension of the "Sniper" article and may even cover some of the same material.

I think an article on MARKSMANSHIP is needed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.112.99.93 (talk) 15:40, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
i agree "marksmanship" is its own concept. Sniper is a military term — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.82.143.169 (talk) 16:16, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Vandalism[edit]

I deleted what I'm going to call pretty obvious vandalism in this article. The chances that a highly skilled marksman would share a name with a far more famous blind woman are so small as to be not worth considering without the Mother of All Citations. Furthermore, the poster, one Hilowhills has made exactly one edit.

Now, how this was missed for the better part of a month is a mystery to me. Just bad/good luck (depending on your point of view), I guess...

*Septegram*Talk*Contributions* 20:57, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

MARINE CORPS MARKSMANSHIP[edit]

Marines are required to qualify with their individual T.O. weapon annually. For most enlisted Marines that weapon is the M16A2 service rifle.

Qualification scores are used, along with the Physical Fitness score as part of the overall requirement for promotion to the next rank and failure to qualify with your weapon can quite literally mean the end of a Marines military career.

To qualify with the rifle, Marines must accurately fire the rifle at targets from 200 yard standing, kneeling and sitting, 300 yard sitting and rapid fire prone, as well as 500 yard prone. A point system is used to score each round fired with the highest possible score being 250 points.

The lowest possible level of qualification is that of Marksman for which a Marine must score between 190 and 209 points.

A Marine is considered a Sharpshooter if he scores between 210 and 219 points.

The highest possible qualification, that of Rifle Expert, is earned by Marines firing a score of 220 and above.

As of October 1st, 2005 Marines are also required to complete three hours of classroom training, and practical application drills, followed by two to three days of classroom and live-fire training in close combat shooting.

Marines are required to pass all three phases of this training and, will fire in excess of 500 rounds simply to qualify.

In addition to the three basic Marksman, Sharpshooter and Expert badges, Marines recognized for winning national, and international marksmanship competitions, as well as the winners of Marine Corps marksmanship competition matches are authorized to wear the Distinguished Marksman Badge which in worn in place of the regular marksmanship badge.

Semper Fidelis

John M. Snyder Gunnery Sergeant USMC Retired 12th Award Rifle Expert --71.77.210.142 (talk) 20:16, 28 October 2013 (UTC)JMS

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.77.210.142 (talk) 20:08, 28 October 2013 (UTC) 

Ambiguous wording[edit]

"During the American Civil War, sharpshooters saw limited action, as tacticians sought to avoid the heavy casualties inflicted through normal tactics, which involved close ranks of men at close ranges." As written, this seems to imply that - in order to reduce casulties - tacticians restricted the use of marksmen. I presume the intended meaning is "in order to reduce casulties, tacticians started using markmen tactics rather than close rank tactics (but only to a limited extent, because it was a new tactic)". Can someone confirm what the intended meaning is, and suggest a re-write to make it clearer? 62.172.108.24 (talk) 14:21, 25 March 2015 (UTC)