Talk:Martin Sellner

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His ban is single source from Reuters.[edit]

They were refused entry, but I'm not convinced they're banned. Reuters claims a source that uses the exact wording that was on his girlfriend's denial of entry form. Which is rife with spelling and capitalization errors so may have been tampered with. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:FEA8:D55F:F62E:D81D:CFE2:EB39:CBB (talk) 04:27, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

Defend Europe[edit]

I think his "Defend Europe" Mission should definitely be mentioned. Prior to summer 2017 pretty much all media had the narrative that the NGOs in the med were just helping the migrants out of sinking boats.

Defend Europe took a boat to the shores of Libya trying to prove that the NGOs were working with the people smugglers. During the mission the fact that the NGOs were going in to Libyan waters and being chased away by the Libyan coastguard became mainstream knowledge. The Libyans said the NGOs were creating a pull factor, encouraging smuggling and putting lives at risk. Then the Italian government and navy became more involved and the number of and NGOs decreased.

https://edition.cnn.com/2017/08/17/europe/mediterranean-migrant-crisis-2017/index.html

Defend Europe really broke the story on this and gave the issue media attention. I think this is his main achievement as a protester. He is the one CNN quote and seemingly the leader of the crew in the youtube vids. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 106.91.200.28 (talk) 16:40, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

The label Far Right is a smear word and contains very little information.[edit]

There are reasons to question the insane mass immigration policies of the Angela Merkels and the groups bought and paid for by George Soros that do not make one "FAR RIGHT". Sellner has suggested recognized authors on the subject of immigration who have conducted extensive studies on the effects of placing large and different ethnic groups and cultures together in a short time. When mass immigration is placed in juxtaposition to job offshoring and the gutting of the middle classes in Western countries, there is reason to be concerned that the charges of racism and all the various ill-conceived phobias that are attributed to these "FAR RIGHT" thinkers are not informative at best and are in fact nefarious at worst. The hysterical people who take refuge in labels like FAR RIGHT need to inform themselves on the economic and cultural issues and these same people need to reject the COMMUNIST lens through which they are seeing the world. IN this day and age, anyone to the right of Karl Marx is labeled FAR RIGHT. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.229.4.46 (talk) 13:32, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia follows reliable secondary sources. They call him far right so Wikipedia calls him far right. In future please remember that Wikipedia is not a forum and try not to go off on a tangent about how much you hate immigrants. --ChiveFungi (talk) 14:12, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
Yeah sure because the Huffington Post is a reliable source 🤡 --Yukterez (talk) 07:28, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Hope not Hate[edit]

Hope not Hate is not a reliable source per WP:RS. It's not academic nor journalistic. There's no other reference to this announcement that I can find. FenceSitter (talk) 05:27, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

That's pitiful as an explanation. Hope not Hate was founded with an investigative mission and has been cited by many reputable publications, as has it's originating group, Searchlight (magazine). This demonstrates a "reputation for accuracy and fact checking" required of reliable sources. Additionally, the comment is neutrally phrase and relatively uncontroversial. Is anyone contesting the factual accuracy of this? If so, who, and why? Grayfell (talk) 05:50, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
Never mind, consensus seems to be that it is indeed reliable. I've restored it. I'm nevertheless suspicious of the claim, as I cannot find it anywhere else. FenceSitter (talk) 06:03, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

Wait, there's another problem. The source doesn't actually say that Martin Sellner announced a branch in the United States. Instead it says

While there is still no word from the European leadership, the new American leader, Saygun Boris, has claimed that its branch has indeed been officially recognised.

So it doesn't belong on this page. Obviously I'll wait before reverting yet again. FenceSitter (talk) 06:11, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

Yup, okay. I think you're right that this should be removed from this article. This source, also from HnH says that it is "now inactive" and lists it under the "Marginal/Inactive/Unaffiliated" heading. I'm not sure why, but so be it. Regardless, this is clearly not about Sellner as an individual.
I've spent enough time looking, that I'm tempted to say this belongs somewhere else, instead, but perhaps that's a sunk-cost thing. I haven't found any other sources for this specific chapter, but I have found several indirect signs of this being significant. The HnH sources mention someone named Kenny Strawn of California as "events director", and an event he was planning for March 2018. This is almost certainly the same Kenny Strawn of this event in August 2017 (co-organized by this guy) and this one a few months later. All of this suggests a connection between Sellner and this small walled-garden of US fascists. This doesn't belong in the article, at least not yet, but it's something to keep an eye on, I guess. Grayfell (talk) 06:52, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
Do we have anything on Sellner's side suggesting a connection? My impression has been of American groups wanting to claim the Generation Identity mantle, and the European groups saying no, it's not a comparable situation and we don't like your extremism. He seems to be focussed on the UK right now in any case. FenceSitter (talk) 07:06, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
The ITV thing suggests he caught-up in the US far-right's "optics" crap, so that certainly seems plausible. I haven't look for anything from him or his group. As a WP:PRIMARY source, his statements are only of limited value anyway. I do not think he's reliable for how extremist anyone else is, nor do I think he's reliable for explaining his own extremism. If third-party sources aren't mentioning it, it's probably not worth mentioning, but that's not a hard rule. Grayfell (talk) 07:26, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

Lede[edit]

The 2008 Wehrmacht memorial services doesn't belong in the lede. Just because it's mentioned in the body doesn't mean it needs to be in the lede--the lede perfectly reflects the body without it. It's not particularly relevant, RS rarely discuss it, and its inclusion is certainly not encyclopedic. ModerateMike729 (talk) 16:03, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

Having been a Nazi isn't relevant? Since the BBC article mentions that he was mentored by Gottfried Küssel, this seems very significant to his early life and history of activism. If you would like to discuss how to more accurately explain this history in the lede, please do. Grayfell (talk) 19:31, 8 October 2018 (UTC)