Talk:Michael P. Barnett

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Michael P. Barnett, (1929--). At Malvern he worked on theory of semiconductors, including organic materials. Later, he taught at MIT, the University of London, Columbia University and City University of New York. His earlier publications on several topics^[1]^[2]^[3]^[4] has been followed by more recent work on computational chemistry and symbolic calculation.

^ M. P. Barnett, The evaluation of molecular integrals by the zeta--function method, in Methods in computational physics, vol. 2, Quantum Mechanics, ed. B. Alder, S. Fernbach and M. Rotenberg, 95--153, Academic Press, New York, 1963.
^ Michael P. Barnett, Computer typesetting, experiments and prospects, 245p, MIT Press, Cambridge, Mass, 1965.
^ D.F. Manzer and M.P. Barnett, Analysis by Simulation: Programming techniques for a High-Speed Digital Computer, in Arthur Maas et al, Design of Water Resource Systems, pp. 324--390, Harvard University Press, Cambridge, MA, 1962.
^ M. P. Barnett and S. J. Barnett, Animated algorithms --- a self-teaching course in data structures and fundamental algorithms, McGraw-Hill, New York, 1986.

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I copy-edited the previous contribution, which was not mine. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 19:51, 11 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Date of death

Does anyone have a reference for his date of death ? --Racklever (talk) 11:45, 17 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It needs a cite, I agree, but it is clearly a family member who added it so I see no need to challenge it. I have emailed him. --Bduke (Discussion) 14:03, 17 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Now done --Racklever (talk) 05:54, 4 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Is the fact that he has edited wikipedia really notable? I am inclined to delete it. --Bduke (talk) 10:32, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think this falls under Wikipedia:Fancruft which appears to be the nearest suggestion as to what belongs in an article. It's certainly not a question of 'notability' per se - the subject of the article is certainly notable. If you are interested in removing trivia, you may wish to consider starting with articles about actresses and pop musicians - I've recently deleted mentions of their height, the colour of their eyes, and that they don't like chocolate (all 'sourced' to their own Twitter or social media pages). Barnett was a serious scientist and academic (possibly like you and me, though there are no Wilipedia articles about us), and he used that knowledge to contribute to articles in his professional sphere, including one which he helped promote to Good Article. If you delete this entry, please consider WP:BRD, and whether you believe an ensuing RfC is worth detracting serious editors from their encyclopedia building work and one might like first to ask the opinion of the article's author. As always, however, no one owns an article once it is written and I am fully able to accept any consensus reached by a reasonable quorum. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:22, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Do we know for certain that this person is the same as the subject of the article? To me, that’s the real issue. Otherwise this can stay, albeit with a little editing perhaps. Qflib, aka KeeYou Flib (talk) 16:47, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think there can be any doubt about User:Michael P. Barnett. Assuming good faith, he has contributed content that he knows exactly about and in very closely related articles. I think JimKillock should chime in here before one starts doubting the authenticity - we are not dealing with UPE, COI, or other misuse of Wikipedia. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 17:29, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Not doubting authenticity - just asking the question. Qflib, aka KeeYou Flib (talk) 22:18, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I would be hard pressed to prove it with reliable sources, but I interacted a lot with the editor and Michael P. Barnett and User:Michael P. Barnett are definitely the same person. Johnuniq (talk) 23:27, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I would too, but I also interacted very closely with Michael on Wikipedia and my personal and family ties over more than 70 years with Malvern, TRE, and RRE leave me in no doubt whatsoever. Anyone who doubts the veracity about notable persons who have edited Wikipedia might want to start working through the hundreds of entries at WP:WWA. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:43, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If for instance you look at Talk:John Wilson (industrial chemist) you will see Michael making personal observations that clearly connect him with the user here. I spoke to him a lot including over this page, and others in the circuit of eminent chemists that emanated from the British Rayon Research Association and British Rubber Producers Research Association, while led by Wilson. He helped me a lot to document these, and you should be able to see contributions around these pages that confirm his knowledge, see for instance Talk:William Moffitt. --Jim Killock (talk) 08:42, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds good. I’m all about the citations for verification of publications and editorial work, hence my question. This all sounds reliable to me, and again I agree that it’s appropriate to include. Qflib, aka KeeYou Flib (talk) 13:33, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

[1] M. P. Barnett, The evaluation of molecular integrals by the zeta--function method, in Methods in computational physics, vol. 2, Quantum Mechanics, ed. B. Alder, S. Fernbach and M. Rotenberg, 95--153, Academic Press, New York, 1963.

[2] Michael P. Barnett, Computer typesetting, experiments and prospects, 245p, MIT Press, Cambridge, Mass, 1965.

[3] D.F. Manzer and M.P. Barnett, Analysis by Simulation: Programming techniques for a High-Speed Digital Computer, in Arthur Maas et al, Design of Water Resource Systems, pp. 324--390, Harvard University Press, Cambridge, MA, 1962.

[4] M. P. Barnett and S. J. Barnett, Animated algorithms --- a self-teaching course in data structures and fundamental algorithms, McGraw-Hill, New York, 1986.

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