Talk:Museum Giuseppe Gianetti

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This page is part of an Educational Project by students of LIUC, Italy, with a course page at: https://outreachdashboard.wmflabs.org/courses/LIUC_-_Universit%C3%A0_Cattaneo/Digital_Technology_(Autumn_2023)/home . The users of the group are new to the Wikipedia platform, have completed Training for Students, and are learning to edit following Wikipedia rules. They are open to any advice on improvements of the page in conformity to Wikipedia requirements and guidelines, and any help useful for the enhancement of the page will be gladly accepted. The student Usernames are:

• LouiseRnlt
• Candicecousi
• DanieleFra04
• Fdrc10
• Beaotto
• LIUC1Irene03

Limelightangel (talk) 20:01, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Linking

• note conventions on linking, including linking out from the word when it is first used e.g. Saronno. See: Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Linking
• overlinking e.g. Europe, etc.
• duplicate links e.g. Meissen
• check the convention for linking out direct to other websites e.g. for Robustelli.

Limelightangel (talk) 11:27, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Fixed all the problems i found Fdrc10 (talk) 10:17, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Additionnal information

Room 8 - Contemporary Porcelains

It's not an actual room. Contemporary porcelains are everywhere in museum, in the hallways and in different corners.

Choosing the paragraphs and dividing the tasks

Hi guys, I think we should organize our tasks and decide the paragraphs that are going to be part of the page DanieleFra04 (talk) 17:39, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

@DanieleFra04: Note the Talk guidelines at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Talk_pages . Talk is for page topic discusion, not educational project team planning. Note that the 'Hi guys' style is inappropriate and meaningless to other editors.Limelightangel (talk) 20:06, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Issues

I am working on localisation and I received a message in red "Lua error in Module:Location_map at line 410: Malformed coordinates value.". I don't know how to correct my mistake.

I think I have solved the problem --Candicecousi (talk) 12:21, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Structure

Pages do not have a section header for 'Introduction'. The 'lead section' should be created first to avoid duplication of content and links later in the article. The summary introduction or 'lead section' is explained at: Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Lead_section Limelightangel (talk) 15:19, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Grammar

• 'museum of ceramic Giuseppe Gianetti'
• 'Stand out among the Italian manufactories'
• '65 pieces regarding European manufactories.'
• 'The oriental section, instead,'
• 'comprises the primary nucleus of approximately 230 Milan's pieces '
• 'The Museum collection is divided into three different sections '
• 'but has aslo a circle garden '
• 'for the Western market ' (missing punctuation)

Limelightangel (talk) 20:27, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

I changed and corrected sentences. LouiseRnlt (talk) 22:45, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

• Poor grammar to correct: "Noteworthy is the handrail of the staircase leading to the Museum's second floor, which was meticulously crafted following a design conceptualised by Carla Biffi, one of Nina Biffi's sisters. Giannetti's relatives, who owned the building from 1936, decided to donate both the villa and the collection in 1994, after a long and precise classification of all pieces, to Fondazione COE for the Museum to be built." Limelightangel (talk) 16:50, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

  Fixed the grammar of these sentences Fdrc10 (talk) 10:25, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

• 'Stand out among the Italian manufacturing'
• 'Alternately, the oriental section '
• '65 pieces regarding European manufacturing'
• '18th-century'
• 'used to live there. '

Limelightangel (talk) 17:02, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

fixed these mistakes Fdrc10 (talk) 10:32, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Style

• avoid the use of 'but has'.
• check Style Manual on dates e.g. '18th-century'. See Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Dates_and_numbers
• 'boasts'

Limelightangel (talk) 20:28, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

I corrected sentences but I cannot find the sentence with 'but has' LouiseRnlt (talk) 16:50, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

• 'and even retains the'
• 'a little town'

Limelightangel (talk) 16:48, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

I rephrased it LouiseRnlt (talk) 16:55, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

• check conventions on date formats and make them consistent.

Limelightangel (talk) 11:31, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

corrected incorrect dates i found and made them consistent Fdrc10 (talk) 13:22, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

• repetitive issues with style e.g. 'Alternately'; 'hails from'; 'even retains'; etc.

Limelightangel (talk) 11:35, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

fixed style issues Fdrc10 (talk) 13:27, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

References

• text number for ref. 1 is in the wrong place
• ref. numbers for 3 and 4 are in the wrong place
• all 3 refs. are incorrectly formatted with incorrect use of the Cite Website template.
• refs 1 & 2 are duplicates and need use of refname in the cite template to resolve. Use Refname in the Cite template to avoid creating multiple references to the same source: "Often, you will want to use the same source more than once in an article to support multiple facts. In this case, you can click Named references in the toolbar, and select a previously added source to re-use." See:Help:Introduction_to_referencing_with_Wiki_Markup/3
• Ref. 3 text needs to be in correct case, not all UPPER CASE; and check Help for referencing non-English sources (language/translation)

Limelightangel (talk) 20:39, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

• the following block of text has no references: "The historical villa preserves its original flooring, parquet, marble features, staircases, window fixtures, furnishings, paintings, mirrors, Murano glass chandeliers, bathrooms complete with their respective fittings, and even retains the original light switches. Noteworthy is the handrail of the staircase leading to the Museum's second floor, which was meticulously crafted following a design conceptualised by Carla Biffi, one of Nina Biffi's sisters. Giannetti's relatives, who owned the building from 1936, decided to donate both the villa and the collection in 1994, after a long and precise classification of all pieces, to Fondazione COE for the Museum to be built." Limelightangel (talk) 16:47, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

  Added the reference Fdrc10 (talk) 10:43, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

corrected the reference, adding author, pages and dates Fdrc10 (talk) 15:11, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

• check and use the correct convention for referencing non-English sources.
• inconsistencies in referencing e.g. missing date retrievedm, missing publishers, undated sources.
• develop the use of acceptable English sources.
• many entire subsections have missing sources

Limelightangel (talk) 11:24, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Regarding the table " a few works inside the museum" should I add references for every work, or it is enough to add one above the table?

(The works infos are all from the same website) DanieleFra04 (talk) 18:38, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

made references more consistent and added many missing sources to all subsections Fdrc10 (talk) 13:21, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Incorrect Draft Page title

'Museum of Ceramic Giuseppe Gianetti' is the wrong page title for this English page. It is grammatically incorrect (Ceramics', not 'Ceramic'). It does not use the popular English name for it. Nothing comes up in searches for this page title. It's also spelt differently in the draft content ('The Museum of Ceramics "Giuseppe Gianetti"'). It could be better as any of the following, and you need to check to define the correct English page title:

• G. Gianetti Museum of Ceramics, Saronno
• Museum Giuseppe Gianetti (Google Business English listing)
• Gianetti Museum of Ceramics
• Museum of Ceramica Giuseppe Gianetti
• Museo della Ceramica Giuseppe Gianetti (Italian webite & Facebook pages)
• Museo Giuseppe Gianetti (on English Wikipedia page for Saronno)
• etc.

Once this is done, you need to: 1. create a new draft page with the correct page title 2. copy the existing markup to the new draft page space 3. copy the existing draft talk page markup to the new draft talk page 4. place the appropriate 'mark for delete'/'speedy deletion' tag on the 'old' draft page - see help resources. Limelightangel (talk) 20:55, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your help ! I did the necessary work on the old draft page --Candicecousi (talk) 17:25, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Infobox

There are some mistakes in the infobox. Firstly, "Italie" should be changed to "Italy." Secondly Varese is not the city where the museum is located, but the province, so it should be changed to "Saronno" or "Sarronno (VA)." Finally, the correct coordinates should be 45°37'30.1 "N 9°01'58.3 "E . However, I recommend that you double-check these coordinates before making any changes to ensure their accuracy. Thank you. LIUC1Irene03 (talk) 23:02, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your help ! I have modified "Italy", the city where the museum is located and the geographical coordinates (after checking them). I have also changed the name of the museum, which was grammatically incorrect. --Candicecousi (talk) 10:04, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi, I saw that you made the changes to the infobox, but since I changed the template from building to museum the old errors remained, Would you be able to remodify them? Thanks! LIUC1Irene03 (talk) 10:14, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Everything is correct now. LIUC1Irene03 (talk) 16:15, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Review 4/12/23

• the page needs the addition of correct See Also, External links and Categories. See:

1. Help:Categories
2. Wikipedia:External_links
3. Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Layout#"See_also"_section

I added some categories, the External links and the See Also section LIUC1Irene03 (talk) 17:59, 5 Dicember 2023 (UTC)

• check and consistently apply conventions on the use of bold and italics. e.g. 'Aldo Marcenaro'; Aldo Marcenaro; etc. See: Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Text_formatting
• the page needs better images to support the text content, including of the specific exhibits described.
• images: improve image captions to state where the image is, what it is and how it is relevant to the page. The images are located on WikiCommons, visible to search engines, and need to be clear to users not seeing them on a specific page. In the case of 'Oriental Porcelain', consider the caption: Part of the 18th century Oriental Porcelain collection, Museum Giuseppe Gianetti, Saronno, Italy - and adopt a similar approach for other images when added.

  Changed the captions and made them consistent Fdrc10 (talk)

• 'A few of works inside the museum' needs a much better section heading. Look at similar pages. Consider 'Significant Collections'; 'Permanent Collections' and similar.
• consistently and correctly use English translations for Italian phrases/objects. Check the conventions. See Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#Foreign_terms and the links on this page.
• check, correct and make consistent all date and number formats e.g. 'April 09th 1950'; 'on January 29th 1887'; 'eighteenth century'; '18th century'; '18th-century'; 'the nineteenth century,'; ' late seventeenth and early eighteenth centuries'; etc.

I have made the changes so that the dates on the page are consistent --Candicecousi (talk) 10:53, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for your help. I also added the template "Use mdy dates" Template:Use mdy dates LIUC1Irene03 (talk) 14:34, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

• grammar/tense: 'He is a collector'; 'The museum of Ceramics Giuseppe Gianetti'; 'who is Giannetti's wife,'; 'In 1936, the descendants of Giannetti, proprietors of the edifice, resolved to bestow both the villa and its amassed collection to the COE Foundation in 1994.'; 'was built in 1930s'; 'one among Nina Biffi's siblings'; 'involving group of authors,'; 'are accounted for. '; '230 Milan's pieces. '; 'the inventories of the manufacture,'; 'manufactories';

I made the changes --Candicecousi (talk) 09:28, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

• style: 'This generous act'; 'forging links between schools and territories in Italy and across the globe.'; 'Furthermore,'; 'not only committed to'; 'but also embarks on '; 'Emerge distinctively amongst the realm of Italian manufacturing,'; 'while the remaining four'; 'notably';'we can see '; 'graciously assembled'; 'a modest yet luminous space bedecked with'; 'exploded, captivated by'; 'extraordinary'; 'In no affluent salon in Milan, Genoa, or Venice were Chinese or Japanese ceramics missing.'; 'a skillful interpreter'; 'As our collection attests,'; 'undoubtedly stand out,'; 'undoubtedly '; 'infusing new vitality'; 'However';
• structure: History could be better sub-divided in to clear periods/phases e.g. Giuseppe Gianetti and the Origins of the Collection; The Museum Villa (does/did it have an orginal name?); The COE Foundation and the creation of the Museum - or similar?

Thanks for your help, I have made the changes. LIUC1Irene03 (talk) 17:02, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

• potential missed link out: 'East India Company'
• incorrect external link out from text to G. Robustelli. See: Wikipedia:External_links
• Museums sections: some of this content could be removed as not specifically related to the page topic and belonging on other pages. It could be retained if it was linked more explicitly to the page topic in terms of it being a summary of the information and history being described in each room.
• remove this content, which is better as a signed Talk page post/discussion: : "it's not an actual room. Contemporary porcelains are everywhere in museum, in the hallways and in different corners."

Limelightangel (talk) 19:17, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, I corrected most of the style mistakes DanieleFra04 (talk) 15:17, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Translation into Italian

I have added the translation of the names of the works into Italian in the table in the "Exhibition" section. I can't remove the link on the word "italian" which refers to the wikipedia page, which causes over-linking. Can you help me solve this problem? --Candicecousi (talk) 19:04, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

I fixed the problem by adding a column for the original names of the works LIUC1Irene03 (talk) 16:59, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Review 11/12/23

• the section on the Library and the descriptions of the exhibits have no sources
• do the descriptions of the exhibits need their Italian names in the text (as in the table)?
• missing links out to Saronno and trompe-l'œil
• 'a collector specialized in ceramics from the century.' - which century?
• 'from the "India Company." ' or from the East India Company?
• add Categories Limelightangel (talk) 14:21, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

  - fixed links for Saronno and trompe-l'oeil

  - fixed India Company issue

  - Added italian name in the text of exhibits Fdrc10 (talk) 17:09, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

  Added all sources in "Exhibitions" sections Fdrc10 (talk) 08:51, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

  added the century in the sentence 'a collector specialized in ceramics from the century' Fdrc10 (talk) 08:52, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Review 15/12/23

• 26 edits made

Thank you for your contribution to our page --Candicecousi (talk) 10:25, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

• The inital use of the museum name could include the Italian name in brackets, as on similar non-English page topics

I add it. --Candicecousi (talk) 10:24, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

• refs 3. & 6. have multiple and incorrect links out to other wiki pages; ref. 1 author is 'Museo della Ceramica G. Gianetti'; etc.
• 18 of the 32 references are to the official website, and a further 2 to museum sources
• See Also is incorrectly formatted: 'See Also Ceramic art – Decorative objects made from clay and other raw materials by the process of pottery'; and, could have broader in See Also links used

fixed the format and added more links Fdrc10 (talk) 11:02, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

• the link out to the COE Foundation links to an Italian wiki page

deleted the wrong linking and added the source Fdrc10 (talk) 11:02, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

• room numbers could be removed from the exhibit cations

I've removed the room numbers from the photo captions --Candicecousi (talk) 10:44, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

• image captions in Gallery could be better e.g. 'One of the museum's rooms, ', and include where the museum is

I have changed the photo captions to add the location. --Candicecousi (talk) 10:38, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

• inconsistencies in text and text format: 'Giuseppe Gianetti Museum'; 'The Museum of Ceramics "Giuseppe Gianetti" '; 'Museum Giuseppe Gianetti'; 'oriental costumes'; 'Oriental ceramics'; etc.

I have modified it to make it consistent throughout the page --Candicecousi (talk) 10:57, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

• the section on 'Temporary Collection ' has issues with tense (it will be over by publication date); issues with style ('is slated to visit '); is overly promotional and lacking in notability; and, consists of a large block of text with a single source

fixed tense problem Fdrc10 (talk) 11:02, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Added more source and fixed the style Fdrc10 (talk) 11:04, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Fixed notability issue Fdrc10 (talk) 11:06, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

• several parts have single or no sources e.g. "Watch holder with yellow dress" - no sources; Internal Organization - 1 source; Ceramics Festival - 1 source, and none for second two paragraphs; Temporary Collection - 1 source; Aldo Marcenaro's Collection - no sources; 1st, 2nd & 3rd collections - no sources; etc.

Limelightangel (talk) 09:59, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

added all missing references Fdrc10 (talk) 11:02, 16 December 2023 (UTC)