Talk:Myrmidons

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Citation needs improvement

The reference/citation of sources is in a lamentable state. At the time of writing we seem to only have one source which is used seemingly erroneously; " In Homer's Iliad, the Myrmidons are the soldiers commanded by Achilles." cites Shakespeare's Troilus and Cressida. I am not familiar with this work by Shakespeare but it would seem to me that this citation should be for Homer's Iliad instead. The rest of the article seems to be uncited or at the very least poorly cited. The Ovid's myth of the repopulation of Aegina section seems to be a summary of part Metamorphoses by ovid however it mentions the film troy as well as homer; the next paragraph states "Another tradition states that the Myrmidons had no such remarkable beginnings" it is unclear if this part is meant to be another source like the film compared to ovid (such as done with the film troy) or if this is from another part of metamophoses. Lastly the section on myrmidons in video games seem not to cite any sources nor give examples to back its claims.96.84.73.145 (talk) 20:02, 31 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Page issues

Surely this is not an accurate quote "to lord it over the Myrmidons". Can somebody fix it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.21.164.77 (talk) 23:41, 25 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The quotation is accurate -- it's from Samuel Butler's 1898 translation -- it just doesn't mean anything like the claim. As all that the quotation means is that Achilles leads the Myrmidons, a point already made in the lede, I have removed it.Czrisher (talk) 22:36, 9 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Modern Myrmidons

The Myrmidon Club now has its own article on a separate page. Would anyone object if the description of it on this page were abbreviated? 45ossington 15:07, 26 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Real Or Mythical

The first section says the Myrmidons were an ancient greek tribe, the second section talks of the mythical Myrmidons. Is there any evidence (not counting Homer) that they actually existed? 94.196.133.30 (talk) 01:30, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Please add back deleted referenced text:

"Achiles was described by Leo the Deacon (born ca. 950) not as Hellene, but as Schytian, while according to the Byzantine author John Malalas (c. 491 – 578), his army was made up of a tribe previously known as Myrmidons and later as Bulgars.^[1]^[2]"

References

^ Ekonomou, Andrew (2007). Byzantine Rome and the Greek Popes. UK: Lexington Books. p. 123. Retrieved 14 September 2015.
^ Jeffreys, Elizabeth; Croke, Brian. Studies in John Malalas. Australian Association for Byzantine Studies, Department of Modern Greek, University of Sydney,. p. 206. Retrieved 14 September 2015.{{cite book}}: CS1 maint: extra punctuation (link)

What exactly does it add to the article to say, without any indication of their incorrectness, that some medieval writers made up ludicrous identifications of Achilles' and the Myrmidons' ethnicity? Ekonomou himself, in your first citation, says, "In an effort to minimize the valor of pagan heroes, and eventually to extinguish their memory altogether, some Christian writers resorted to intentional distortion." Why should we be reporting such intentional distortions without labeling them as such? Deor (talk) 06:02, 30 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Leo the Deacon was a Byzantine historian. John Malalas was a Greek chronicler.

It adds different view on the topic from historians and chroniclers of early ages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yoctosecond (talk • contribs) 01:33, 1 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I have restored the text and added more. If we're going to have a section on modern reception, no problem with medieval reception. Of course, it's all legend and myth, so there is no reality to be distorted—only fidelity to the earliest versions, and its pretty clear that the Byzantine identification of the Myrmidons is not that. (There is a medieval Bulgarian version of the Troy legend, but I am unsure if they identified themselves with the Myrmidons.) Srnec (talk) 02:57, 21 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Ekonomou, Andrew (2007). Byzantine Rome and the Greek Popes. UK: Lexington Books. p. 123. Retrieved 14 September 2015.

[2] Jeffreys, Elizabeth; Croke, Brian. Studies in John Malalas. Australian Association for Byzantine Studies, Department of Modern Greek, University of Sydney,. p. 206. Retrieved 14 September 2015.{{cite book}}: CS1 maint: extra punctuation (link)

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