User talk:Deor

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Administrators' newsletter – July 2018[edit]

News and updates for administrators from the past month (June 2018).


Administrator changes

added PbsouthwoodTheSandDoctor
readded Gogo Dodo
removed AndrevanDougEVulaKaisaLTony FoxWilyD

Bureaucrat changes

removed AndrevanEVula

Guideline and policy news

  • An RfC about the deletion of drafts closed with a consensus to change the wording of WP:NMFD. Specifically, a draft that has been repeatedly resubmitted and declined at AfC without any substantial improvement may be deleted at MfD if consensus determines that it is unlikely to ever meet the requirements for mainspace and it otherwise meets one of the reasons for deletion outlined in the deletion policy.
  • A request for comment closed with a consensus that the {{promising draft}} template cannot be used to indefinitely prevent a WP:G13 speedy deletion nomination.

Technical news

  • Starting on July 9, the WMF Security team, Trust & Safety, and the broader technical community will be seeking input on an upcoming change that will restrict editing of site-wide JavaScript and CSS to a new technical administrators user group. Bureaucrats and stewards will be able to grant this right per a community-defined process. The intention is to reduce the number of accounts who can edit frontend code to those who actually need to, which in turn lessens the risk of malicious code being added that compromises the security and privacy of everyone who accesses Wikipedia. For more information, please review the FAQ.
  • Syntax highlighting has been graduated from a Beta feature on the English Wikipedia. To enable this feature, click the highlighter icon (Codemirror-icon.png) in your editing toolbar (or under the hamburger menu in the 2017 wikitext editor). This feature can help prevent you from making mistakes when editing complex templates.
  • IP-based cookie blocks should be deployed to English Wikipedia in July (previously scheduled for June). This will cause the block of a logged-out user to be reloaded if they change IPs. This means in most cases, you may no longer need to do /64 range blocks on residential IPv6 addresses in order to effectively block the end user. It will also help combat abuse from IP hoppers in general. For the time being, it only affects users of the desktop interface.


  • Currently around 20% of admins have enabled two-factor authentication, up from 17% a year ago. If you haven't already enabled it, please consider doing so. Regardless if you use 2FA, please practice appropriate account security by ensuring your password is secure and unique to Wikimedia.

Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 19:22, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

A beer on me![edit]

Export hell seidel steiner.png For helping me at the Helpdesk. DBigXray 19:58, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

Edit War[edit]

Stop starting edit wars — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 17:02, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – August 2018[edit]

News and updates for administrators from the past month (July 2018).


Administrator changes

added Sro23
readded KaisaLYmblanter

Guideline and policy news

  • After a discussion at Meta, a new user group called "interface administrators" (formerly "technical administrator") has been created. Come the end of August, interface admins will be the only users able to edit site-wide JavaScript and CSS pages like MediaWiki:Common.js and MediaWiki:Common.css, or edit other user's personal JavaScript and CSS. The intention is to improve security and privacy by reducing the number of accounts which could be used to compromise the site or another user's account through malicious code. The new user group can be assigned and revoked by bureaucrats. Discussion is ongoing to establish details for implementing the group on the English Wikipedia.
  • Following a request for comment, the WP:SISTER style guideline now states that in the mainspace, interwiki links to Wikinews should only be made as per the external links guideline. This generally means that within the body of an article, you should not link to Wikinews about a particular event that is only a part of the larger topic. Wikinews links in "external links" sections can be used where helpful, but not automatically if an equivalent article from a reliable news outlet could be linked in the same manner.

Technical news

Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 01:31, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

Tsing Yi North Bridge[edit]

Was your attention drawn by my question at the helpdesk or merely accidental? Would you happen to know where I could find the answer to my question, because searching with

hastemplate:"Coord" "tsing yi" "bridge"

does find that Tsing Yi South Bridge also has the same problem. I'm figuring it may be zillions of articles have this problem. Sure would be nice to know how to search for them! :) Shenme (talk) 02:41, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

BTW: the other fix is to delete the infobox coordinates line and the Coord template usage, in order to let the Wikidata values only to supply the coordinates. Shenme (talk) 02:44, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
Yes, it was your Helpdesk question that drew my attention. I don't know of any way to search for such articles; some articles have a template in the infobox calling for the Wikidata coordinates, but in others the Wikidata coordinates appear to pop up for reasons that are unclear to me. I fixed the article the way I did, rather than using your "other fix" mainly, because I have a distrust (based on some experiences) of Wikidata coordinates, and also because they lack the "region" parameter. I've also dealt with the south bridge article. Deor (talk) 06:29, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

The Great God Pan[edit]

I nominated The Great God Pan for GA; would you like to review it? MagicatthemovieS (talk) 00:06, 12 August 2018 (UTC)MagicatthemovieS

I see that Katolophyromai is already on this. I would be a poor choice in any event, since I've never done a GA review and am probably incompetent to do one. Deor (talk) 09:14, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

Would you be interested in addressing some of the concerns Katolophyromai brought up on the talk page? I'm having difficulty doing so promptly as I have no access to a computer (I'm using my phone now) and will not have access to one for days...and it's very hard to do one of these reviews via phone. I would not have nominated the article if I had known I would be in this situation. MagicatthemovieS (talk) 17:56, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

Unnecessary removal of edits[edit]

Why are you removing the changes made by me on SMCH? I am a passout from that college so I know better! Without even confirming you have removed all the hardwork! Wikimicky89 (talk) 14:23, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

@Wikimicky89: I was attracted to the article by the problem of multiple coordinates' displaying in the title position (because of the addition of a second infobox with a second {{coord}} coded for title display) and noticed that many additions had been made in the past couple of days. As I wrote in my edit summary, much of the added material—for example, in the "The college logo" and "SMC Students' Union" sections—was a direct copy from pages of the institution's Web site and therefore a copyright violation. A limited amount of uncontroversial information can be sourced to that primary source, but the exact wording of the source cannot be used. In general, Wikipedia prefers that reliable secondary sources be used for all information in its articles. Your personal knowledge is useless for Wikipedia's purposes because it is unverifiable. Deor (talk) 14:44, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
I can understand the direct copy issue you have for the edits. But the secondary sources you speak of are only the students and doctors from this college and the website which was launched recently. Because citations were asked so I added the website address as reference. We the passouts are the only reliable source as we know about the college in detail. If you can't verify the edits of the page you have no right to remove them! Wikimicky89 (talk) 18:54, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
You've got the responsibility backwards; verifiability is the responsibility of anyone who adds material to Wikipedia, not the responsibility of someone removing unverifiable material. Wikipedia does not care what you, the "passouts", know if the knowledge cannot be verified (in cited sources) by readers of the article. And Wikipedia cares little about what the institution says about itself. Although the Web site can be used to reference some uncontoversial information, the bedrock of an article should be what others say about it in published, reliable sources. Deor (talk) 20:47, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – September 2018[edit]

News and updates for administrators from the past month (August 2018).


Administrator changes

added None
removed AsterionCrisco 1492KFKudpungLizRandykittySpartaz
renamed Optimist on the runVoice of Clam

Interface administrator changes

added AmorymeltzerMr. StradivariusMusikAnimalMSGJTheDJXaosflux

Guideline and policy news

  • Following a "stop-gap" discussion, six users have temporarily been made interface administrators while discussion is ongoing for a more permanent process for assigning the permission. Interface administrators are now the only editors allowed to edit sitewide CSS and JavaScript pages, as well as CSS/JS pages in another user's userspace. Previously, all administrators had this ability. The right can be granted and revoked by bureaucrats.

Technical news

  • Because of a data centre test you will be able to read but not edit the wikis for up to an hour on 12 September and 10 October. This will start at 14:00 (UTC). You might lose edits if you try to save during this time. The time when you can't edit might be shorter than an hour.
  • Some abuse filter variables have changed. They are now easier to understand for non-experts. The old variables will still work but filter editors are encouraged to replace them with the new ones. You can find the list of changed variables on They have a note which says Deprecated. Use ... instead. An example is article_text which is now page_title.
  • Abuse filters can now use how old a page is. The variable is page_age.


  • The Arbitration Committee has resolved to perform a round of Checkuser and Oversight appointments. The usernames of all applicants will be shared with the Functionaries team, and they will be requested to assist in the vetting process. The deadline to submit an application is 23:59 UTC, 12 September, and the candidates that move forward will be published on-wiki for community comments on 18 September.

Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 23:23, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

Gladstone's Library[edit]

Hi Deor - the reason I moved the reference to Gladstone's Library being formerly known as St Deinol's out of the first sentence was because I added a citation which does not include the St Deinol's info. I also thought it was useful to have a link to St D. Yours, Tacyarg (talk) 18:35, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

@Tacyarg: The reason I moved it back was that the parenthetical Welsh version translates "St. Deinol's Library", not "Gladstone's Library". The boldfacing of "St. Deinol's Library" was also useful, since that's the standard way of indicating that the article is the target of a redirect at that name. I don't think that a link to the St. Deinol article is particularly useful in this context, and I don't see any problem in your ref's not including the former name. Deor (talk) 21:48, 17 September 2018 (UTC)