Talk:Neuroplasticity

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Grammar[edit]

The grammar and writing in this article definitely needs work. Excessively academic, the use of long words at the expense of clarity, redundancies.

I agree. The most recent author states that plasticity involves changes to the brain's "functional anatomy and physical anatomy." If memory serves me correctly, there is no such thing as "functional anatomy." Anatomy is the term which refers to structure; physiology refers to function. For verification, check any Anatomy & Physiology textbook.04:27, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

There is "functional anatomy" anatomy describes the physical structures and locates them. Functional anatomy would be more describing say how the the shoulder joint as a whole works mechanically,rather than just the physical description of the bones and muscles (anatomy), or the oxygen/glucose use, neurotransmitters,etc.(physiology). It is a rather tedious difference, but then science is "tediophillic". HOWEVER, I think they do mean physiology as used here, and my point is that what is missing is the functional and more mechanistic interactions. It also fails to represent large areas of neuroplasticity. I will attempt some editing and addition in the near future. TEK

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I'm wondering if the brain plasticity in BMI (Brain-machine interaction) section is very appropriate? I don't read much in the section as far as neuroplasticity, only the ability of a machine to operate not on physical movement originating in an operator's brain, but in the operator's mental stimulation of physical movment (brain waves?). At any rate, the section does not explain how neuroplasticity is involved in BMI. Perhaps it is involved, and just not explained, or perhaps the research has not gone that far. Either way, the section should be moved to the BMI wikiarticle or removed, IMHO. Rhetth 20:18, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

The "reality" of neuroplasticity is transformational in the extreme. But does the analysis presently lack "soul"?

It does. The analysis makes a fascinating subject rather dull. Norman Doidge's book is interesting and the author leaves out the most fascinating cases, possibly for the sake of brevity. 04:34, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Neuroplasticity locates the human brain at the nexus between spacial/digital/virtual reality, astro-physics/string theory, and consciousness/emotion. It reaffirms the human context.

Does this alter our understanding of evolution? Neuroplastic activity is not random or experimental, but the more deliberate consequence of history, past learning, culture and environment. It embodies the human dialtectic.

I suspect you have some misconceptions about evolution. No it doesn't contradict the concept of 'evolution', it's an instance of it. (I presume you use the term to refer to the selection of well adapted mutants among replicators, the only explanation we have of adaptive complexity. You imply evolution is random, mutation is the only aspect that is 'random'). Whether it happens in geological time, cultural/'memetic' time, or in fraction of a second in a brain, there has to be some sort of 'generate and test' pattern to govern the selection of adaptive complexity, otherwise you are just positing the existence of higher order complexity due to some dualistic/metaphysical/religious compulsion, I deem. Random? Do you mean random as in irreducibly random, as in some interpretations of quantum mechanics (aka 'god plays dice') or random as in having so many factors impinge on it that it becomes unpredictable because the causal chain is hopelessly chaotic?, because there's no reason to suspect it would be either kind of random, being the result of selection among adaptive mutants. You say it's not 'experimental' and seem to imply this contrasts with deliberation, learning, culture, and experience, and conclude that it "embodies the human dialectic" (I don't see any reason to suppose neuroplasticity isn't an integral part of what makes human consciousness possible, our genetic code doesn't constitute near enough data to specify the complexity of the precise 'wiring' of the brain, so neuroplasticity becomes another 'generate and test' selection principle) ('human dialectic': this smells foul of some kind of metaphysical historicism), do you mean like Socratic dialogue?, (experimental philosophy I deem,) simply asking peoples' opinions and demonstrating that they are inconsistent?, it's pretty trivial to say that _that_ is 'embodied' by consciousness. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Autoarbitaster (talkcontribs) 05:54, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

The discussion of neuroplasticity should be one of the most robust discussions at Wikipedia.

I am fascinated by this topic, and in fact my postgrad research is looking at neural plasticity after a stroke in humans. The article is very low on references considering its scientific nature so I will try to integrate some. --Banny83 13:55, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

IMO a list of references to as much current research on the subject would be a valuable addition.04:34, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Tetris Effect?[edit]

What is the reason for the link to this computer game? My reading on the subject of neuroplasticity is extensive and continual, and IMO the link is not at all relevant. 04:38, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

The tetris effect has a unique niche in studies of learning and memory. These studies are dominated by the medial temporal lobe's necessity in forming new declarative memories (ie: H.M. ). People who cannot form new declarative memories will still have mental images of recent sensory inputs during their first round of REM sleep (Stickgold's work). People who cannot form new declarative memories can also be engaged in perceptual learning although they have no declarative memory of learning. This implies that some set of sensory cortex neuroplasticity falls below the conscious cognitive level - assessible by tests of perceptual learning and the tetris effect, but not via tests that rely on declarative memory. The studies of neuroplasticity have historically been dominated by sensory and motor cortex studies in areas of the brain that probably are largely not conscious brain activity, whereas the studies of learning and memory have been dominated by conscious cognitive areas such as the medial temporal lobe. The tetris effect is one way that ties these two fields together. On a broader note, it seems like there MUST be a convergence between neuroplasticity and learning and memory studies in the future. The tetris effect forms a portion of my lectures on learning and memory - and my lectures on neuroplasticity - for these reasons.--Animalresearcher (talk) 13:14, 9 July 2008 (UTC)


There is no evidence that this is anything other than pure speculation. If studies concerning any connection between the Tetris Effect and Neuroplasticity do exist, you must cite them.FrancineEisner (talk) 23:39, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

I think any sort of learning, acquisition of new skills cannot occur without formation of new networks; new networks form with new synapses, and that is what neuroplasticity simply put is—formation of new synapses. So, if tetris effect has been demonstrated with validity, there's no doubt that it would require neuroplasticity, but if no references can be found to support that, then it'd be wise to not include the section. —KetanPanchaltaLK 07:20, 19 July 2008 (UTC) PS: Do excuse me if my understanding of neuroplasticity is excessively simplistic.

Sorry - Apology accepted, but it is excessively simplistic. Neuroplasticity is not just the formation of new synapses. You appear to have done some valuable edits on Wiki. Please use your considerable intellect to do some research on the subject.FrancineEisner (talk) 17:45, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Is the Tetris Effect Relevant?[edit]

The author who has placed it in the Neuroplasticity article apparently has a theory that it is relevant. Current studies and other literature (at least to this Wiki user) do not bear this out. Theories about Neuroplasticity unsupported by scientific literature do not belong in the science section, but somewhere else. The author who is attached to this theory is welcome to cite references (other than his own writings or blog) if they do exist.time= 23:47, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

I have very little understanding of the subject matter, since I am only responding to the RFC from a physics background. I don't think that the criterion for having a link is that it is scientifically supported, though. After all there is a lot of things even in scientific articles such as 'ScienceTopicFoo in popular culture' that shows up in scientific articles. The criterion that I think is important is that the relationship between the two articles is either very obvious or is stated (scientifically correctly) and prominently in one or both of the articles. The relationship is not obvious to me, even if the topics are similar in nature, and the Tetris effect page doesn't sufficiently explain why it links there. I propose that the proper way to solve this is to include a section in Tetris effect that deals with Neuroplasticity (including a {{main}} statement) that both of you agree on, then make the link. TStein (talk) 04:22, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

p.s. The original RFCsci was very confused (it was added twice with the reason being placed outside of the RFCsci template so I edited it in a way that I hoped the original author intended. A little later I noticed that the original reason was not neutral so I edited that again. TStein (talk) 05:32, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for the edit; I was unable to determine a means of deletion. Your conclusion is appropriate and hopefully the author in question will be able to provide a connnection between the two subjects.09:28, 10 July 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by FrancineEisner (talkcontribs)

I did not place it there, but I do think it is relevant. The role of sensory cortex neuroplasticity in studies of memory is poorly explored, and the evidence on the tetris effect is that it lies independently of the medial temporal lobe memory system. Whereas I will not debate that people studying the tetris effect have not conducted neuroplasticity studies (mainly because they work in humans), the most likely candidate for the physiological basis of the tetris effect is sensory cortex, and studies do find that sensory cortex is altered by the first sessions of learning a new task (ie: PNAS USA 99: 17137–17142, )However, I think the issue of whether a link to the tetris effect is included on the page is probably not even worth the text already devoted to it. If you don't like it, delete it. --Animalresearcher (talk) 14:14, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
I wouldn't doubt that neuroplasticity could be involved in the development of tetris effect. If there are research papers citing this, then the section must be included. Any way, if I remember it correctly, new synapses can form in minutes. —KetanPanchaltaLK 07:15, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

MUST??? Please don't post something so vehement without doing some homework. Try Norman Doidge's book. University library databases offer full-text peer-reviewed studies on the subject. Neuroplasticity is involved in all learning, and current research points to LTP (long term potentiation) as the mechanism. The development of negative, or detrimental neural pathways are involved in bad habits, depression, drug addiction, sexual fetishes, and OCD. Future edits should include mention of these examples of negative plasticity; they are included in the existing literature. The tetris effect as described appears to be one of these detrimental pathways, and it can be included under this heading, but it does not deserve its own section. The Neuroplasticity article should not be "skewed" in that direction.FrancineEisner (talk) 17:47, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

I am not sure why you think the Tetris Effect is an example of a detrimental pathway. Anytime learning occurs, there are accumulated plastic changes in synaptic connections across a wide range of brain areas. Some of these become consolidated. One theory on the tetris effect is that it results from the pre-consolidatory neuroplasticity. It occurs prominently during learning, and not after learning plateaus, occurs during early sleep, but not late sleep (the same stages of sleep related to perceptual learning thought to be in sensory cortices), etc. --Animalresearcher (talk) 18:27, 19 July 2008 (UTC)


With regard to my statement about the tetris effect being a detrimental pathway, please see the following: http://www.citypaper.net/articles/032196/article038.shtml

More info is certainly needed. Please provide a reference for your statement, "One theory on the tetris effect is that it results from the pre-consolidatory neuroplasticity" and any other existing references on the subject.FrancineEisner (talk) 19:14, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

A Great Deal of Work to be Done: Suggestions for Revision?[edit]

As everyone can see, I've been doing a bit of cleanup on this page. I've revised awkward wording and added and cited more references, but there is much work to be done. Neuroplasticity is so much in the vanguard of neuroscience, this article really needs ongoing revisions. For example, there is a great deal of work published within the past 2 or 3 years which the original author and editors do not seem aware of. I have pdf files of these studies, which are available in any university library database. Would someone like to help me update this article? Any suggestions for revisions? I have many, but feel that it would be hubris to continue as I have been doing. I am not a neuroscientist, just an extremely ambitious student working toward a degree in the health sciences.FrancineEisner (talk) 20:14, 14 July 2008 (UTC)00:09, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Feel free to post citations and suggestions here or, just be bold. --Animalresearcher (talk) 18:24, 19 July 2008 (UTC)


OK - Some suggestions:

  • A section explaining a bit of the history of the competing theories of "localizationism" and "neuroplasticity."
  • A section listing current brain imaging techniques and related technology which have in fact enabled the extremely recent paradigm shift toward the theory of neuroplasticity
  • Expansion of the section on phantom limbs, including descriptions of the seminal research which has been done.
  • Expansion of the section about negative vs. postitive platicity. There is a good deal of documentation of this concept, and it is extremely interesting. The Tetris Effect might be included in this section, even if opinions about is value are equivocal.
  • Expansion of the section about traumatic brain injury and how the brain can repair itself when presented with a program of appropriate therapeutic exercises.
  • A section about the different manifestations or kinds of neuroplasticity (For example: long-term potentiation, synaptogenesis, neurogenesis, axon sprouting).
  • A section which concentrates on current research about the mechanisms of neuroplasticity, particularly on a molecular level. For example, levels of calcium ion, cell adhesion molecules, and cell signaling molecules (protein kinases, I believe) have been seen to be important factors.
  • A section suggesting behavioral practices which enhance neuroplasticity and their usefulness in improving learning and memory and overcoming autism, depression, age-related cognitive loss, and so on. This has also been extensively documented, and should be of great interest to Wiki readers. There are many web sites about "brain training." This sounds like science fiction, or maybe just a sales pitch, but there are many studies which indicate that it is a real phenomenon.

Revision of this article would be a very challenging job. I sincerely hope that someone who has at least as much knowledge on the subject as I do (hopefully, a neuroscientist) can offer assistance in this task.FrancineEisner (talk) 19:35, 19 July 2008 (UTC)


There have been many content additions to this article and this has been all to the good. However, grammatical errors and stylistic awkwardness has necessitated revision of wording. In addition, the passage about phrenolgy (a 19th century concept) was eliminated, as the idea of the brain as an immutable objects dates back many centuries, even millenia. Please do not put it back. A history section outlining the dominance of the concept of brain immutability versus the emergence of the idea of neuroplasticity could be added; this might be usefulNeuro777 (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 22:04, 10 December 2008 (UTC).


I agree with the grammar comments at the top of the page. The language is very dry and academic - aimed at scientists only it seems - for what is a fascinating, juicy and cutting edge topic. It is enticing in no way. My suggestions for revision would be to take it down a register or two without dumbing down. Not an easy task, no. Spanglej (talk) 14:26, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

How to define plasticity?[edit]

I believe it is rather about the question to what extent the neural program existing in the brain is native (inborn); than about "to what extent it changes in life" (or even: "to what extent it differs between various brains"). Many parts of the brain, for example the whole of cerebrial cortex, contain no inborn programs in their neural network and this is what's called plasticity... I would put it that way, instead of speaking about changes in the life course. The parts of brain cortex associated with sight nerve are generally invariable once formed and trained (it's all about neural network learning the environment), but their invariability doesn't deny the fact that they are plastic.

Besides, if I am forgiven this digression, I believe (like many neurologists) that consciousness resides only in neuroplasticity. It is because consciousness is by definition subjective: and what is subjective, differs between subjects.

Piotr Niżyński (talk) 04:51, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

The occipetal lobe (associated with sight) certainly does change over time and this is in fact the basis of vision therapy, aka vision training which is taught mostly to children by certified optometrists.

It isn't clear if you've actually read any literature on the subject of neuroplasticity or if you are merely venturing an opinion.173.68.123.223 (talk) 21:19, 19 January 2009 (UTC)


Article seriously needs to be reorganized[edit]

For some reason, this article contains multiple CVs or congratulations or resumes (or whatever) for various scientists involved with the study of the topic. But pretty much everyone seeking information about this topic really just wants to know about the topic, and not about the people who made it possible. Perhaps the scientists can get their own articles, and new subsections can be made in this article describing neuroplasticity further. Kierah (talk) 12:27, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Similar issue - as it currently is, the article follows very closely to the book "The Brain That Changes Itself", I think this is lazy writing and possibly plagiaristic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.178.158.109 (talk) 02:46, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
I am willing to put some work into this article to sort it out. At the moment, it just seems like a rather messy collection of examples without having a clear idea of a defined structure. There needs to be a much clearer idea of how it was proposed/disovered; it was only a few weeks ago that the proposer changed from Cajal to William James, and only one sentence was altered! The page is full of quotes as well which don't seem especially NPOV. I think the article needs restructuring:
  • Neurobiology and more detailed outline of how it can work
  • Disovery and proposal
  • Applications
  • Series of examples
  • Other examples which are 'non-intentional' (phantom limbs etc)
There needs to be much less focus on the people involved, as many of them already have their own articles. Jhbuk (talk) 13:44, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
That would be great. This is a pretty important article, and work spent on improving it would be valued. Regards, Looie496 (talk) 17:21, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
I should probably point out that it may be quite slow and that I'll be working mainly on my userspace. Jhbuk (talk) 19:27, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
I encourage you to work on the article directly instead. Userspace work often gets lost, especially if it is slow. Even if it looks awkward at first, it's easier to improve something awkward than to start over from scratch. Regards, Looie496 (talk) 19:41, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
For now, I suggest that work should be restricted to the more traditional areas of investigation. For example, phantom limbs are fascinating, but more relevant to an article on neuropsychology or perhaps philosophy of mind/action. There has been work done on meditation (e.g. by Davidson), but the core areas should be a priority.
Furthermore, historical writing tends to focus on persons and not the phenomena. It is important the phenomena involved are described prior to engaging in the main historical events surrounding the discovery and establishment of the theory.


After a 1-2 paragraph introduction, I suggest:
Etymology
Cognitive Neuroscience
Neurobiology
Examples (or what have you)
--Development
--Learning
--Memory
--Stroke
History


Cortical mapping belongs to cognitive neuroscience (or the biology of mind), while neurobiology more often refers to basic neuroscience, i.e. dealing with neurons (cells) and biochemistry, rather than brain areas associated with cognitive functionality. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ostracon (talkcontribs) 23:19, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Barbra Young and Arrowmith School?[edit]

I was surprised to not see Barba Young's work (applied in the Arrowsmith School) mentioned in this article. I didn't want to make any large changes to the article so I just added it to the See Also section... But you may want to mention it. 99.231.36.219 (talk) 20:56, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

To my knowledge, there are no publications related to Ms. Young or the Arrowsmith School in peer-reviewed academic journals.Ostracon (talk) 23:03, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

suggested addition: Vision Restoration Therapy (see novavision.com)[edit]

This technology has been discussed in the peer reviewed journals for about a decade now, as an excellent example of beneficial application of neuroplasticity knowledge. Hoping someone else will revise the article to include this: I am not well enough versed in Wikipedia editing to know how to avoid 'illegal' commercial references, and also have no particular knowledge of neuroscience, hence unlikely to balance this addition nicely against the backdrop of the article itself. I have no connection yet to the company in question, although I may choose to use their product as a 'customer'. Publius3 (talk) 04:08, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

There appears to be peer-reviewed research using Novavision, from what I could tell on the website. Possibly include.Ostracon (talk) 23:23, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Meditators spamming everywhere[edit]

Any time people who meditate see something scientific and brain-related, they jump in and try to show links between meditation and intelligence etc. The TM movement has been the most vocal. Sadly, this also applies to a few researchers, many of them having prior mystical-type interests. Note how the article even mentions the Dalai Lama. This appears to be a largely unsupported effort to assert their claims on behalf of meditation. I suggest the last paragraph on meditation be removed. It is my understanding that doing push-ups and playing piano will also alter the brain function.

The paragraph appears to be included as it is featured in the book The Brain That Changes Itself, which is what the article appears to have been based on, at least to some degree. To be honest, although I haven't yet analysed this properly (I've been working on something else), it does seem different to the usual pseudoscientific rubbish that is often thrown about regarding this sort of thing, partly in that it was carried out by a pretty notable neuroscientist. It is also pretty well referenced. I'll have a look at it, but I don't think that the idea that meditation can have an effect on the brain is entirely ludicrous. Jhbuk (talk) 18:47, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Meditation references - where to put them[edit]

All edits referring to meditation need to be on another page, such as Research on meditation or something, and briefly summarized, with internal linking, on this page. makeswell (talk) 16:44, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Activity-dependent plasticity is the same idea?[edit]

How is 'neuroplasticity' distinct from 'Activity-dependent plasticity'? makeswell (talk) 16:51, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Neuroplasticity also includes the ability to change in response to injury or to changes in the environment. Looie496 (talk) 17:11, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
Neuroplasticity refers to the ability of the nervous system to change. Neuroplastic changes may occur in response to environmental changes - however, a brain area that is being damaged by a traumatic injury (i.e. due to the environment) does not undergo plastic change; rather, the areas surrounding the damaged part of the nervous system undergo plastic changes in response to the signals "having nowhere to go". Hence, I suggest a merger (see below).Ostracon (talk) 23:42, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Which Ramachandran?[edit]

In the section on cortical maps is a link to the name Ramachandran. This link takes us to a disambiguation page for the name Ramachandran, where we find two names that are reasonable candidates, a biophysicist and a psychologist/neuroscientist. A direct link to the appropriate one would be helpful. I don't know which one is appropriate or I would do it myself. SDCHS (talk) 07:34, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Done. Anthony (talk) 08:42, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Mind/brain dualism[edit]

In his book Consciousness beyond Life, Dr Pim Van Lommel claims brain plasticity backs up his claim that the brain is merely a receiver for the mind and does not produce it. He says this is shown by the fact that thoughts can change the brain structure, therefore they must derive from something different from the brain. Can anyone comment on whether there has been any serious research indicative of this and/or if anyone else notable share his view? Orlando098 (talk) 20:59, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Although there is no consensus, the mainstream view of neuroscientists is monism about consciousness. Furthermore, the person you refer to is not widely known in the Consciousness Studies community (e.g. I could not locate his name after searching http://consc.net/online/). The research by Ehrsson who has "simulated" out-of-body experiences might be of interest you: http://www.nature.com/news/out-of-body-experience-master-of-illusion-1.9569
The argument as you have presented it is flawed. Consider the analogue: Your white laundry changes into pink while being washed. Thus, the changes must come from without the laundry. The red shirt that coloured the laundry in the first place is still a clothing item - it may have a different property, but it is still a laundry item. It would be less parsimonious to believe that an evil neighbour of yours added colouring to the detergent.
I hope that helps.

Ostracon (talk) 22:51, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Neuroadaption context[edit]

I have been doing some writing on opioid neuroadaptability, and saw that -plasticity was used interchangeably with -adaptability, where the plasticity is the ability of the system to changes in the internal "environment," such as with "shooting up."--John Bessa (talk) 01:30, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Goleman's Social Intelligence[edit]

My initial views came from Goleman's description of how a nasty security guard put him in a bad mood. He said that the "toxicity" of the guard's thinking "poisoned" his mind. I applied the opposite when I was a youth counselor with excellent results, usually in 1-2 weeks, so I believe there is something there. This suggests very quick changes to large constructs, enough to capture your present thinking/feeling paradigm, which is more profound than affects to the working memory/executive function on the immediate level. Obviously contradicts my previous statement above.--John Bessa (talk) 18:08, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Some Changes[edit]

Neuroplasticity is quite well-specified in the scientific literature. The following comment is dubious and hence removed: "The term has no specific scientific definition, as set out by McEachern and Shaw"

However, neuroplasticity can be described on many levels of description. The quote should be replaced by a paraphrase (I don't have access to the original source.), if included at all; it refers to a state of science ten years ago.

IMHO, the article should emphasize plasticity in the main higher-order domains where it has been investigated - e.g. development, learning, memory, and post-stroke recovery. In addition, a basic level explanation should be included (e.g. Kandel's work).

Ostracon (talk) 22:36, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

In addition, Merzenich is mentioned 11 times. Bias. Ostracon (talk) 23:46, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Suggest merge[edit]

Because neuroplastic changes always depend on changes in activity, I suggest the Activity dependent plasticity page to be subsumed under the heading Neuroplasticity.Ostracon (talk) 23:30, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

obviously Coginsys (talk)
  • Oppose: The article s too lengthy, we can write in summmary style in the other article and then "main" link to this one! --Tito Dutta (contact) 19:25, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Human echolocation[edit]

I added in an example of a study to help illustrate the notion of brain region remapping in the context of human echolocation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cheetah6666 (talkcontribs)

Neuroplasticity review[edit]

This medical review[1] has a lot of information which is probably worth adding at some point.

References

  1. ^ Valkanova V, Eguia Rodriguez R, Ebmeier KP (2014). "Mind over matter--what do we know about neuroplasticity in adults?". Int Psychogeriatr. 26 (6): 891–909. doi:10.1017/S1041610213002482. PMID 24382194. 

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new content, musicians[edit]

the prose is purple and the sources, primary. need neutral language and stronger sources for this to come in:

Musicians

The study of music perception and cognition has proved to be a particularly effective method of studying neuro-plasticity. Musical training and performance is exceedingly complex and, arguably, one of the most impressive accomplishments of the human race. For example, when reading and performing music, pianists are tasked with integrating a variety of musical dimensions and bimanually coordinating the production of up to 1,800 notes per minute [(Münte et al., 2002)](http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12042882). Music, itself, is a multi-faceted, complex medium. It relates to many crucial brain functions, making it a great way to study the brain’s functional complexity. [Tervaniemi et al. (2016)](http://journal.frontiersin.org/article/10.3389/fpsyg.2015.01900/full), a study on the auditory profiles of musicians, offers insight into the effects of musical training on cortical plasticity by investigating neurocognitive differences in classical, jazz, and rock musicians. Tervaniemi hypothesizes that, since different genres of music differ from one another in terms of different musical features, musicians who are principally active in one genre will have different auditory profiles than those active in different genres. A [mismatch negativity (MMN)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mismatch_negativity) paradigm, which indicates change-detection to irregular auditory stimuli, was employed as the primary method of study. Results show that functional and anatomical differences *do* exist between different types of musicians, which highlights the human brains refined level of neuroplastic sensitivity regarding detailed aspects of experience.

References

-- Jytdog (talk) 00:38, 24 September 2016 (UTC)


New editor[edit]

Hey all,

As you may notice, I have started heavily editing this article. When I think someone would need an explanation for my edits I either comment here or mention the major changes in the summary title of the edit. If anyone feels uncomfortable about any of my edits, please feel free to open a discussion with me, either here or in my talk page.

My opinion of the article is that it needs a more uniform tone, slightly less abstract wording, and —as others have pointed out before me— less focus on individuals and their achievements. I also plan on eventually adding a section on structural plasticity, that I think could be useful and some references where missing.

Cheers, V

vkehayas 11:56, 7 October 2016 (UTC) Vkehayas (talk | contribs)


Abstracts in 'quote' field of reference[edit]

Jytdog in a recent edit suggested that the 'quotes' in references are perhaps too extensive, so much so that they may be considered breach of 'fair use'. However these were just the abstracts of the papers cited, which are always the only part of the paper that is freely available and functions as a summary of the paper. Thus, it is very useful for people that don't have access to the paper in order to get an idea about the paper. Of course, the interested reader could just click the link and read the abstract at the source. However, at this point some references have their abstracts attached and others don't. We should have a common directive on this matter and it is not clear to me if there is a WP guideline. Either solution (with or without the abstract) is OK for me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vkehayas (talkcontribs) 10:38, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

Unsourced/primary sourced[edit]

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Operation of brain-machine interfaces

Brain-machine interface (BMI) is a rapidly developing field of neuroscience that is relevant to neuroplasticity. According to the results obtained by Mikhail Lebedev, Miguel Nicolelis and their colleagues,[1] operation of BMIs results in incorporation of artificial actuators into brain representations. Studies of BMIs showed that modifications in the neuronal representation of the monkey's hand and the actuator that was controlled by the monkey brain occurred in multiple cortical areas while the monkey operated a BMI. In these single day experiments, monkeys initially moved the actuator by pushing a joystick. After mapping out the motor neuron ensembles, control of the actuator was switched to the model of the ensembles so that the brain activity, and not the hand, directly controlled the actuator. The activity of individual neurons and neuronal populations became less representative of the animal's hand movements while representing the movements of the actuator. Presumably as a result of this adaptation, the animals could eventually stop moving their hands yet continue to operate the actuator. Thus, during BMI control, cortical ensembles plastically adapt within tens of minutes, in order to represent behaviorally significant motor parameters, even if these are not associated with movements of the animal's own limb.

Active laboratory groups include those of John Donoghue at Brown, Richard Andersen at Caltech, Krishna Shenoy at Stanford, Nicholas Hatsopoulos of University of Chicago, Andy Schwartz at University of Pittsburgh, Sandro Mussa-Ivaldi at Northwestern and Miguel Nicolelis at Duke. Donoghue and Nicolelis' groups have independently shown that animals can control external interfaces in tasks requiring feedback, with models based on activity of cortical neurons, and that animals can adaptively change their brain's activity to make the models work better. Donoghue's group took the implants from Richard A. Normann's lab at the University of Utah (the "Utah" array), and improved it by changing the insulation from polyimide to parylene-c, and commercialized it through the company Cyberkinetics. These efforts are the leading candidate for the first human trials on a broad scale for motor cortical implants to help quadriplegic or locked-in patients communicate with the outside world.

References

  1. ^ Lebedev, Mikhail A.; Carmena, Jose M.; O'Doherty, Joseph E.; Zacksenhouse, Miriam; Henriquez, Craig S.; Principe, Jose C.; Nicolelis, Miguel A. L. (11 May 2005). "Cortical Ensemble Adaptation to Represent Velocity of an Artificial Actuator Controlled by a Brain-Machine Interface". The Journal of Neuroscience. 25 (19): 4681–4693. doi:10.1523/JNEUROSCI.4088-04.2005. PMID 15888644. Retrieved 31 January 2010. 

-- Jytdog (talk) 03:15, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

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Evolution and the relation to critical thinking

Research on evolutionary adaptations to changes in the environment show that such changes, under certain biological conditions, select for plastic brains. While simple deficiency of nutrients may select for small brains that consume less energy, species that die from dehydration faster than they die of starvation are subject to selection for more plastic brains that can more rapidly adapt to the new conditions for finding water. At early stages corresponding to nonhuman animals to early hominins this takes the form of enhanced trial and error learning. Later in human evolution the origin of language provides benefits that preserve skills that would have been forgot during times of different climates had our ancestors still been exclusively reliant on observational learning, and finally critical thinking adds another incremental advantage in the ability to reject false hypotheses more actively and efficiently than would be possible with trial and error. This is argued by the researchers in question to show that the ability to think critically is positively linked to brain plasticity, and not negatively as is often assumed by people who think that more plastic brains are more vulnerable to being manipulated into harmful and irrational behaviors. The researchers also argue that it would be maladaptive for critical thinking to reduce adaptability by simple decrease of plasticity or the introduction of rigid subroutines as the ability to think critically introduces an ability to resist false persuasion that does not rely on fixity while enabling more adaptive uses for neuroplasticity than otherwise possible, and that the importance of neuroplasticity for survival and reproduction in a changing environment means that the assumption that functions that are important for survival and/or reproduction are kept by evolution in a non-plastic form is not justified.[1][2]

Some researchers on brain plasticity in relation to biological evolutionary and sociocultural effects argue that the combination of models saying that women’s brains are more plastic than men’s brains (in particular, more erotically plastic), that women evolved a more selective mate selection than men out of the time, cost and risks of pregnancy requiring them to be more judgmental about selecting a suitable mate than men who merely had to invest much less in producing semen, and that plasticity increases vulnerability to being harmfully manipulated, is a contradiction. The need for selective behavior, the researchers argue, selects for resistance to harmful manipulation, which in the case of neuroplasticity increasing vulnerability to manipulation would select against neuroplasticity. The researchers argue that studies that appear to show that sexual arousal is more linked to sexual desire in men than in women, an often used argument for higher female erotic plasticity, may be a due to people who know that their physical sexual arousal is not linked to sexual desire avoiding sexual arousal studies out of fear that their unspecific arousal will give a false appearance of paraphilias, males being more informed about their bodies than women for sociocultural reasons and therefore more likely to know whether or not their arousal is specific. The researchers argue that the 80% non-sex specific arousal in homophobic men is not explainable by homophobia being caused by denied gay attraction as no sexual orientation group of men is close to that percentage of physical non-specificity in laboratory tests and large cultural differences in homophobia, but can be explained by homophobic men being less informed about their bodies, decreasing the observation bias of physical non-specifics choosing not to be studied.[3][4]

Other researchers have amassed evidence that recoveries from brain injuries are more successful in environments that are not judgmental. The researchers behind these metastudies explain this as being due to people who are subject to judgment and need to defend themselves by invoking disabilities as an argument for not being able to help what they are doing are prevented by those environmentally forced justifications from learning their lost abilities again. The researchers suggest that such sociological forces are the reason why many people justify their apparent inabilities and their beliefs, as such self-defeating use of intelligence would increase the brain’s cost in various nutrients without giving advantages worth it and not be selected for by biological evolution.[5]

The notion that there is no evolutionary justification for a negative correlation between plastic brains and the independence of critical thinking is applied by yet other researchers to changes of the brain with age, arguing that it makes no sense to assume that brain maturation that improve the ability to think critically and independently goes hand in hand with a decrease in the brain’s plasticity.[6]

References

  1. ^ Variability selection in hominid evolution, Potts, 1998
  2. ^ All life is problem solving, 1994, Karl Popper
  3. ^ Benuto, L. 2010. “Exploring erotic plasticity as an individual difference variable: Theory and measurement”
  4. ^ "Gender Differences in Erotic Plasticity – Evolutionary or Sociocultural Forces? Comment on Baumeister (2000)", Janet Hyde, Durik Shibley, Amanda M., 2000
  5. ^ Christina Hinton, Kurt Fischer 2012, “Mind, brain and education”
  6. ^ Teen 2.0: Saving Our Children and Families from the Torment of Adolescence

There are several issues here.

  • The refs are not fully cited, such that they can be identified to verify the content.
  • Several of them do not ~appear~ to be reliable for content about science or biology
  • The focus on "critical thinking" as the thing evolution drives is OFFTOPIC.
  • The content about women being evolutionarily more sexually fluid is problematic on multiple levels and also OFFTOPIC
  • The paragraph starting with "Other researchers have amassed evidence that recoveries from brain injuries are more successful in environments that are not judgmental." is just OFFTOPIC altogether

This content is not OK. Jytdog (talk) 17:01, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

In what way are the sources not reliable? In what way is evolution of neuroplasticity offtopic? The part about critical thinking is about its link to neuroplasticity, in what way is it offtopic? On what levels is the part about women's allegedly greater sexual fluidity problematic? Or offtopic, when it is a question of plasticity? And in what way is the effect of the environment, in this case a non-judgmental environment, offtopic? I think you may be making up problems.2.70.177.219 (talk) 17:21, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for replying. As a starter would you please provide complete citations for each of the refs you cited? For books, please provide page numbers as well. I have said my piece about why things are offtopic and will leave it to other pagers to explain that further. Jytdog (talk) 22:56, 23 July 2017 (UTC)