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A fact from Newton Collins appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 15 November 2020 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Newton Collins was enslaved, manumitted, re-enslaved, and emancipated before becoming a successful businessman and landowner?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2020/November. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Newton Collins.

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 23:24, 9 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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... that Newton Collins was enslaved, manumitted, re-enslaved, and emancipated before becoming a successful businessman and landowner? Source: "... a two-time slave who who became a successful businessman, landowner, and community patron" ([1])
- ALT1:... that Newton Collins is the namesake of the first modern school in Central Texas to be named after a former slave? Source: "The campus is believed to be the first modern school in Central Texas named for a former slave." ([2])

Reviewed: Living instrument doctrine

Created by Bryanrutherford0 (talk). Self-nominated at 21:35, 29 October 2020 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

Cited: - n
Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: New, of sufficient length, no copyvio concerns, article is appropriately sourced. Hook facts are cited in the lead but without source. Facts seems to all be supported by source 1 so a citation to that in the lead would solve the issue. Otherwise my only comment is to say that "enslaved person" is frequently preferred to "slave" these days (as it points to enslavement as a state the person is placed in and not something that is central to their identity). For this reason the first hook is approved, not the ALT1. DrThneed (talk) 08:18, 30 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the review! So, the claims in the hook aren't supported by citations where they're summarized in the lead, but they're each cited where they occur in the body. The fact that he was enslaved at birth and then manumitted is stated with a supporting citation in the second sentence of the body; the fact that he was re-enslaved as a young adult is stated with a supporting citation in the third sentence; the fact that he was emancipated and then started a business is stated with a supporting citation in the fifth and sixth sentences; the fact that his business was successful and enabled him to become a landowner is stated with a supporting citation in the seventh sentence. -Bryan Rutherford (talk) 16:25, 30 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Bryanrutherford0: OK, so what we are missing is a cite at the end of the line "With the promulgation of the Emancipation Proclamation in Texas on Juneteenth in 1865, Collins again received his freedom." (because we need a cite at the end of the line supporting a hook fact, even if one would not normally be needed in that place, right?). Otherwise all good. DrThneed (talk) 00:00, 1 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Cool, done. -Bryan Rutherford (talk) 00:18, 3 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, changing reviewing mark, good to go. DrThneed (talk) 00:21, 3 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Birthplace

The article claims that Collins was born in February 1819 in Birmingham, Alabama. Alabama only became a state in December 1819, and Birmingham was founded in 1871. Other sources, including his Find a Grave entry, have him born in 1826. Finn Froding (talk) 16:50, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]