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Merge with Nigger article or not?[edit]

"Nigga" should not be redirected to "nigger" as they are completely different words, spelled completely differently, and have completely different meanings. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.110.251.182 (talkcontribs) 05:17, 25 November 2005

I disagree, I propose a redirect to this section of the "nigger" article, which deals with "nigga" much better than this article. -70.130.139.249 04:00, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
But you can't redirect to a section. This is a defect in MediaWiki, filed as bug 218. If readers are going to want to look up "nigga", and editors are going to want to link to "nigga", would splitting that section off into a new article to replace this article work around the problem until bug 218 is fixed? --Damian Yerrick () 00:26, 26 April 2006 (UT

I think a better option would be a seperate article like it is now but with a link to Nigger. Nigga and Nigger have different meanings. --RND 11:26, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

I want to point out that the word may be the same word just interpreted differently from different points of view. This word is at the very core of the cultural differences between blacks and whites in america. Don't forget that because someone pronounces a word differently because they have an accent doesn't mean they are speaking a different language or using different words. And of course people with different cultural viewpoints have different meanings behind their words. But it still means the same thing. A black person uses often in an endearing way because they are relating with it. For a white person to use it is out of place becuase it is perceived as derogatory, the white person almost can't convincingly use it to relate because of the historical relationship between our cultures. 70.94.40.191 04:21, 18 August 2006 (UTC)MKM

I disagree with you also because the word nigga comes from the root word called nigger and there wouldnt be the word nigga if there wasnt nigger. We know its spelled differently but its still means the same it means an African American person. This days we some poeple use it to refer to your best buddy or somethingt but its not right its a disrespect to African Amercan poeple. Also African American's get offended when they hear a non African American say that word so it really still have some roots to it.!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 170.161.69.82 (talkcontribs)

True, "nigga" and "nigger" are related (as both < Spanish negro < Latin niger), but that would just make them doublets, not the same word. For example, the words "cow" and "beef" both come from a PIE word approximately *gwou, but they're definitely not the same word. The bone of contention is how far along these etymological twins are on their divergence --Damian Yerrick () 18:25, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

I do not think "Nigga" and "Nigger" should be merged or redirected. They have evolved into two very different words and while sharing a history, have substantial differences in their basis. "Negro" gave us "nigger." "Nigger" eventually brought us to "nigga." At some point, we have to recognize their differences and stop trying to lump every word starting with "nigg..." together. I think a reference to its origins is sufficient, without merging it with "Nigger." Wikipikiliki — Preceding undated comment added 16:40, 3 May 2006‎

No, nigger and nigga are two completely different words - daniel — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.66.99.51 (talkcontribs) 22:24, 28 May 2006

I think they shouldn't be merged because they have 2 different meanings — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.66.202.113 (talkcontribs) 02:48, 5 May 2006

"Nigger" is always a racial slur "Nigga" is not-- 69.242.77.127 02:17, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

The section of Nigger that I suggested be merged into Nigga concerned the word "nigga" and its relationship to "nigger".--Damian Yerrick () 14:56, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

By combining them it tells people what they both mean and why it is or isnt ok for the word to be said. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.167.171.154 (talkcontribs) 13:02, 17 June 2006

And these 2 articles shouldn't be merged.--Bonafide.hustla 05:08, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Nigga is used normally by black people like "He's my nigga". It's like a guy saying "she's my bitch". Nigger was used as a racial slur to black people by white slave masters. They specifically used that word to disgrace them. Nigga is more friendly. --66.218.22.254 23:59, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

  • The two terms should not be merged, because (as has been already pointed out), they are two different words, with two different connotations. Just because one word comes from the other is no reason to merge the two. Many different words, in many different languages have origins in other words, but are treated as separate words because they have separate meanings. That said, this article could use a good cleanup to make it reach encyclopedic standards.Spylab 20:42, 22 September 2006 (UTC)Spylab
  • I deleted the merge tag because the majority here have opposed such a merge.Spylab 21:06, 22 September 2006 (UTC)Spylab

I believe the articles should not be merged. The widespread use of the varient, the potential gulf in implied meaning between the two, and the fact that this article is now in quite a decent, stand alone state argues, for me, that they should remain apart. Rockpocket 05:46, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

I don't think they should be merged, as they are different words and are used in a different way, even though the sound the same. Mobius131186 17:53, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

I think it should be merged, It's ignorant to think a word becomes different by changing a letter. DarthZantetsuken — Preceding undated comment added 12:30, 12 March 2007
"nigger" and "bigger" differ in one letter, and they're different. Yes, minimal pairs exist. This article documents the extent to which the public finds this minimal pair distinctive. --Damian Yerrick (talk | stalk) 13:30, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
I have removed the proposal as there is no consensus for it for over a year and the new proposal is based on a logical fallacy, as elucidated by Damian Yerrick above. Rockpocket 17:46, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
DarthZantetsuken has replaced the merge template without further comment. In the interests of avoiding an edit war, i'll leave it up to see if it stimulates further discussion towards a consensus to merge. If not then i'll remove it again in a week or two as per the reasoning above. Rockpocket 21:36, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
Yes, and I stand by that statement. Since when does misspelling an offensive word make it appropriate/proper. It should actaully be considered less appropriate and displays poor grammar and/or phonics. Misspelling "Fuck" with "Fuk" dosen't change the meaning or intent of the word (unless the context in which the word is used is also changed.) DarthZantetsuken 01:31, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
That is a somewhat different (and more sophisticated) argument than "It's ignorant to think a word becomes different by changing a letter." Either way, its not our place to make a decision whether it is "proper" or "appropriate". The reliable sources cited in this article discuss its use multiple meanings or intent. Whether you think that is right or not is not relevent, and neither is it relevent to whether this should be merged. The material here could certainly be a subsection of the nigger article and this be redirected, but I think there is enough content on its use in the modified form to stand alone. Rockpocket 01:57, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Do not merge nigga with nigger; they are discrete words with very different connotations. This article has enough reasonably well referenced content to stand on its own.--The Fat Man Who Never Came Back 18:15, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Not really. They are both politicly incorrect words. They have the same roots and meanings. When a white person uses the word "Nigga," it's taken the same way as using the word "Nigger." It's much like a different pronounciation or even just a minor dialect.---DarthZantetsuken 17:05, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Except the reliable sources cited say otherwise. Please provide sources for your assertions, otherwise they are nothing but POV. Rockpocket 17:14, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
How can you say that my assertions are just Point-of-View while all of your reliable sources are mere POV articles?---DarthZantetsuken 19:08, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Your repeated re-insertion of the merge tag is disruptive. See if you can convince some people of your position, then restore the tag. So far, no one else seems convinced.--The Fat Man Who Never Came Back 19:15, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Fine, out of respect for you and the rest of the Wikipedians, I'll stop adding that tag. As right or wrong as I may be, it's not my place to keep changing an atricle when so many others don't want it changed. I do think the connections should be acknowlegded as should the on-going debate.---DarthZantetsuken 19:20, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Because you are some random person on the internet, they are published journalists and commenators. Besides, they are not all POV articles, some neutrally report on how the term is be used (or expoited) for other purposes. Others report on how there is public debate on the difference in meaning (or lack thereof) between the words. The point is that this article's purpose is not to legitimize the difference between the terms, but to neutrally report how it is used (according to neutral sources). Rockpocket 19:25, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for ignoring my apology... In case you missed it, here it is again:

Fine, out of respect for you and the rest of the Wikipedians, I'll stop adding that tag. As right or wrong as I may be, it's not my place to keep changing an atricle when so many others don't want it changed. I do think the connections should be acknowlegded as should the on-going debate.---DarthZantetsuken 19:20, 14 March 2007 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by DarthZantetsuken (talkcontribs) 19:38, 14 March 2007

Actually, I wrote my response prior to you making you apology, and thus didn't see it until now. The strange ordering of the comments was due to you deleting your original point and The Fat Man reinstating it. Anyway, I appreciate your acknowledgement and would welcome any contribution you have to improve the article. Its a real struggle finding decent sources for material, but if you have anything then by all means add it. Rockpocket 20:25, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

I do have a source for my arguement: "ER" to the "A", this is one excuse that would insult the intelligence of a sixth grader. Brother or brotha, sister or sista, n***er or n***a, all have two common denominators. First, they came about as the result of a ghetto vernacular. Second, replacing the "er" with an "a" changes nothing other than the pronunciation [Source 21 from the Nigger Page]DarthZantetsuken 00:48, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Excellent. I have included this, and the other sources in that section of the nigger article, here. I have also pruned down the subsection to a summary. I think this article covers the issue quite nicely now. Rockpocket 01:55, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
See, everythings better with sources! I might be good for something after all!---DarthZantetsuken 19:58, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Sounds like you're saying that black people aren't allowed to modify the English language. 24.144.14.84 (talk) 00:41, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Hispanic-American[edit]

Hispanics are of many races: Caucasians (Spaniards, Argentinians, Uruguayans, Chileans), Monogoloids (various Asian areas), and mestizos (mixed peoples of Mexico, Guatemala, etc). So stop putting Hispanic-Americans alongsid races. Hispanic is not a RACE! Casey14 17:26, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

The problem with this argument is that African American and Asian American are not races either. They - and Hispanics - are ethnicities. Rockpocket 20:23, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Citation, or something.[edit]

"As of 2006, the word nigga is used, without intentional prejudice, among all races of people in the USA, including African-Americans, Asian-Americans, and more recently by some Caucasians."

What? This needs to be removed or rwwritten, because it is just... completely untrue. Americans don't walk about casually referring to eachother as, "nigga". In fact, I have only heard this word used in conversations between obvious gang-members; even then, rarely between anyone who is not black. Someone fix this. --67.181.131.193 19:15, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

I completely agree with this statement. When do you hear white people calling africans "niggas" to their faces? Rarely, that is when. It is completely unacceptable. The contributer didn't even cite his/her work. Not to mention that it was ridiculous. This kind of vandilism gives wikipedia a bad name! Therefore , I removed this garbage. If that user wants to put that statement back in the article then they need to find credible sources to support it. J Dogg 02:31, 27 June 2006 (UTC)J Dogg

Being black and asian I don't like either word and darn right it does give wikipedia a bad name.--- the word nigga is used, without intentional prejudice, among all races of people in the USA, including African-Americans, Asian-Americans, and more recently by some Caucasians is just not correct, not at the campus I attend or the area I'm from. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.31.45.169 (talkcontribs)

Please read the comment below. With respect, your opinion or experience has little relevence when there is verifiable sources the say otherwise. Rockpocket 05:46, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
Just because it isn't cited, does not make it vandalism. Just because you don't associate with people that use the term, it doesn't make it untrue. Please request sources in future before removing content. In this case, there are plenty of verifiable sources that note the word being increasingly used without malice by non African Americans, e.g [1] [2] [3] [4] and every more anecdotal evidence [5] [6]. Therefore i'm going to restore the section. Rockpocket 04:06, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Messages to Rockpocket[edit]

Dear Rockpocket, I apologize. I had no right to erase your hard work and effort. I admit I got carried away and for this I am sorry. I also agree that you are right, just because I don't agree with the statement doesn't mean that it is vandilism. I was completely wrong. However, I decided to check out your sources and I have a small problem with the statement, "As of 2006, the word nigga is used, without intentional prejudice, among all races of people in the USA, including African-Americans, Asian-Americans, and more recently by some Caucasians." I read the four sources that you provided and while I did see that the usage of the word is on the rise, nowhere that I saw, did any of the articles say that it is used without prejucice other than between africans (and in some cases a small number of non-africans). The fact still remains however, that most africans still see the word as an insult. It is only a minority of the african community that approves of the word's use by non-africans. This view is depicted in the articles that you provided. In the sources you provided, several people of african decent, said that they were completely against the word's use, both by africans and non-africans. Also in the article, a survey done in an American city resulted in mixed feelings about the word's use. The source I am refering to is " "New Word Order" [[7]]

I think that the passage,"As of 2006, the word nigga is used, without intentional prejudice, among all races of people in the USA,", needs to be re-worded. Therefore I will be re-wording the sentence, if nobody comes forward within the next day or two and convinces me that it is correct. J Dogg 20:05, 27 June 2006 (UTC)J Dogg

Hi J Dogg. No problem and thanks for your reply. I agree with your analysis regarding the widespread feeling that the word is insulting. However i think that point is aptly covered in the next paragraph:
"Many, however, continue to see the word as pejorative, and its use outside African-American communities remains controversial. Many African-Americans express offence when referred to as a nigga by Caucasian people, but not if they are called the same by other African-Americans. In this case, the term may be seen as a symbol of fraternity and its use outside a defined social group an unwelcome cultural appropriation. "
Perhaps another sentence indicating a lot of people disaprove of the word in any context, would be appropriate?
With regards to the term "without intentional predjudice", in this context i understand it to indicate that a minority of non African Americans using it are not doing so to be intentially insulting. It doesn't mean that others do not find it offensive, nor does it suggest that a majority of non african americans use the term in that way. I think the references back this up, e.g. "Many young blacks — and some young whites — increasingly use the word as a sign of friendship." [8] "I don't like to hear it from white and Spanish people, sounds like they are trying to be black or ghetto. They think they can fit in by using it." [9], "I've also heard some Puerto Ricans at my school use the term-I remember distinctly a Puerto Rican girl referring to her man as "my nigga." [10]. Each of these is a comment on use by non african americans "without intentional predjudice".
That said, if you can reword this article to improve it then please do so. I don't have a problem with that at all and i'm sure it could be worded better. However, i do believe we need some mention that some non African Americans do use the word in a non pejorative manner. Rockpocket 05:06, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Dear Rockpocket, I see your point with the term "without intentional predjudice" and you have convinced me. I also agree that the majority of the paragraph should remain unchanged, maybe even the whole paragraph is fine the way it is. And you are also right about adding another sentence to the paragraph about how many people still object to the word's use in any context. However, I don't really know what to say to improve the sentence. If you have any ideas you can leave them here or at my user page User: J Dogg. You are welcome for my reply and thank-you for your reply. Happy editing! J Dogg 20:03, 28 June 2006 (UTC) J Dogg

Dear Anyone....

Someone please either rewrite the Mind of Mencia section or cut it from the article. It is horribly written, and certainly does not accurately sum up the point of Carlos Mencia's sketch. I don't feel that I am the person to do this, but someone should. Vandalism is the correct spelling, by the way. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.49.191.52 (talkcontribs) 16:45, 28 September 2006

When did it come into use?[edit]

I think there should be at least one section on the article explaining when it first became fashionable for blacks to use the term amongst one another, as there seems to be confusion on the issue. Richard Pryor, for instance, used the term "nigger" in the exact same manner as many blacks today use "nigga" (Pryor even had an album called "That Nigger's Crazy!"). This was back in the 70's. It seems that it gradually switched to "nigga" sometimes in the 80's or possibly early 90's. There should be more ifnormation on this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.65.208.186 (talkcontribs) 02:10, 11 July 2006

Sounds like a good idea, if you can find any reliable sources on the evolution of the term, then please feel free to add it. Rockpocket 05:32, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
Does this help?
Rapper Tupac Shakur was credited with legitimizing the term "nigga" when he came out with the song "N.I.G.G.A.," which he said stood for "Never Ignorant Getting Goals Accomplished. Ala. conference debates use of 'n-word' Yahoo! News Berserkerz Crit 11:31, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

I just read Peter Guralnick's "Sweet Soul Music", and many of the protagonists (this is non-fiction, remember) use it in interviews or reported speech dated to the 1960s (rendered "nigger", not "-a" in print). Seems to have been hip in-group slang at the time.--Humphrey20020 (talk) 14:43, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Worldwide view template[edit]

I'm a bit puzzled at the presence of a worldwide view bias template on this article. The term is from African American Vernacular English, thus its hardly surprising the focus is on its use among African Americans in particular and Americans in general. If there is no objections here, i'll remove the template over the next few days. Rockpocket 06:11, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Cleanup[edit]

I cleaned up some of the writing, but this article still needs much improvement to bring it up to Wikipedia standards. One of the things I changed was the use of the word Caucasian as a term for white people. If you click on the Caucasian link, you will see that the term has several precise meanings, and that it is not a technically accurate term for white people.Spylab 21:09, 22 September 2006 (UTC)Spylab

Apocryphal Tupac quote[edit]

There is no source whatsoever on the alleged Tupac quote "Nigger - a black man with a slavery chain around his neck; Nigga - a black man with a gold chain on his neck." It was never a lyric in any of his songs, nor did he ever say that in any of his interviews. No one has ever found a reliable source for that quote, and, no, UrbanDictionary and geocities are not reliable sources. Until you find a reliable source, please keep it out of the article. 24.199.113.122 06:16, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

It's in a movie, nigga. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.224.206.168 (talkcontribs) 00:04, 16 August 2009

It was in Tupac: Ressurection (film). Noob —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.168.124.118 (talk) 14:17, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

There are many African-Americans/Blacks who don't like the term[edit]

The article is definitely biased, as many African-Americans, like myself, do not care for the word in any of its forms. Moreover, many believe it a racist term no matter who uses it.

This article definitely needs to be updated in that aspect.--Joel Lindley 01:29, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

If you read the article, you would be aware that it makes exactly that point. Hence I'm removing the POV tag. Rockpocket 03:40, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
I read the article, and it now shows references. NOTE: There were no references, which is why the tags were put up in the first place. In any event, I applaud the effort to give a well-rounded view of the controversial term.--Joel Lindley 05:23, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
I'm sorry, i appreciate when you added the tag, this information may not have been present. Sadly, this article tends to regress pretty quickly. This evening i've worked the article back to around the state it has been in in the past (when there was references). Rockpocket 05:37, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
No problem. :)--Joel Lindley 05:38, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
Removing the uncited sentences in the 'use of language' section as they remain after all this time unreferenced.Twobells (talk) 13:39, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
If the article makes the point that it's controversial and many of its parent race don't agree with it, then the articles should be merged to represent one word. That, or you need to make a page for every single slur that has an equivalent of its community "taking it back". 50.98.18.29 (talk) 20:29, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Cleanup 2[edit]

I've tidied the entire article, removing the apocryphal content that couldn't be sourced, providing references for everything else. Rockpocket 05:31, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Biased[edit]

This article is biased and very pro-the use of the word (if it is a word) Nigga. Both sides need to be shown in this article, not just one. Casey14 02:25, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

The problem with that is that, when used in a pejorative sense, the word nigger tends to be used. Most of the "anti" content is there. Everything here is currently reliably sourced - so please don't remove content - but if you have verifiable content to add then please be bold. Rockpocket 03:54, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Criticism[edit]

I think there needs to be a criticism section, for example the last paragraph. I mean, I'm hesitant to actually edit something myself before I bring it up here, so does anyone agree? I personally think it would allow a significant increase in information - but again, I don't feel comfortable just coming in here and editing it. --Daniel()Folsom T|C|U 15:59, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Generally, we tend to avoid sections of support and criticism because they tend to attract POV pushing. Instead a balanced review of the subject is favoured where notable opinions are recorded in an integrative manner. If you have some sourced criticism that add to the article then by all means add it, but I have found it a struggle to find reliable sources for that sort of thing. Rockpocket 09:14, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Yo Nigga[edit]

I think this article would be improved by a reference to I Don't Want to be Called Yo Niga by Public Enemy. --24.57.157.81 02:05, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Here's an article that has a few quotes from Chuck D talking about it (the article is not very in depth though) Public Enemy's Chuck D. comes to Cubberley --24.57.157.81 02:22, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

The use of this word is quite rare by white people, but very common among African-Americans. I don't think readers get the sense of this as the article is written.

I would have thought the opening line might convey that: "Nigga is a term used in African American Vernacular English..." Rockpocket 02:30, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Mockary[edit]

what about the use of the word by non blacks as a mockary of hip hop culture or black people? I'm not saying all non-black people using the term are using it as mockary, but I have heard non-blacks of many races use it as a term of endearment and as a mockary in many different instances.--RA64 01:09, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

This article should be deleted[edit]

The word "nigga" is merely a dialectic revision of it's parent word "nigger", and as such this article should be combined with the discussion of that name. The assertion that "nigga" is somehow different than it's parent word is not supported by it's usage in common culture. No matter how it is pronounced, it is still a derogatory word used to describe black people.

The lines: "Some African-Americans express considerable offense when referred to as a nigga by caucasian people, but not if they are called the same by other African-Americans," is indeed correct, but the same could be said of using the term "nigger" or many of the other variations of the word.

By giving this word it's own article, Wikipedia is in many ways legitimizing the practice and usage of it. 12.96.65.14 20:17, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 12.96.65.14 (talk) 20:12, 14 March 2007 (UTC).

Whit? They have articles about Nazism and facism too, does their existence legitimise them? 62.31.12.18 19:26, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

..I think you mean fascism. And yes, I agree, it's ridiculous to have two articles for the SAME WORD. 12.96.46.209 10:28, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Just to let you know, nigger and nigga do not mean the same thing,even if "nigga" comes from nigger.In my opinion nigger is a racist word used to say that a black person is worthless or inferior."Nigga" is different, to older people it is offensive,but to people from a younger generation it is acceptable.It depends on the person though. Generally, I would say that a white person using the word "nigga" around black people will cause problems. At my high school, black people will commonly use "nigga" when the they talk to eachother, and it does not have the same meaning as nigger.Nigga has a close meaning to the words man,person,dude when it is used.Im just trying to offer some insight into this, and be helpful.71.127.114.151 (talk) 00:24, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Nigga is a term usually used by the black community, Nigger means Ignorant or Stupid. It is not a derogatory term for a black individual it only became that way due to human interpretation. Also Wikipedia is not censored. As well fascism and Nazism were much different. "Fascism is an authoritarian political ideology (generally tied to a mass movement) that considers individual and social interests subordinate to the interests of the state. Fascists seek to forge a type of national unity, usually based on (but not limited to) ethnic, cultural, racial, and religious attributes."Nazism"refers primarily to the ideology and practices of the Nazi Party under Adolf Hitler; and the policies adopted by the government of Nazi Germany from 1933 to 1945, a period also known as the Third Reich." Same belief, both wrong and both are wrong, but fascism is more like Nationalism and Nazism is more of and idea cooked up by a mad man. Rgoodermote  00:30, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

"Nigga is a term usually used by the homiosexuals, Nigger means Ignorant or Stupid. It is not a derogatory term for a black individual it only became that way due to human interpretation". Wow, that is a much better summary then what i was trying to explain.Thanks for making things more simple.(not being sarcastic)71.127.114.151 (talk) 00:42, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

WOW !! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.229.14.113 (talk) 05:16, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

I disagree on deletion. Wikipedia is no censored, and there clearly is a distinction between "nigga" and "nigger". I seem to remember a particular famous rapper (I can't rightly remember which) saying "A nigger is a black man with a slave chain around his neck, a nigga is a black man with a gold chain around his neck". Probably not a notable or worthy source, but it gets my point across. Anyway, since this article is small, I would say a merge would be the absolute maximum level of attention needed, if any at all. 82.23.20.185 (talk) 22:22, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

HEY WHO WANTS TO BET THIS ENTIRE ARTICLE WAS WRITTEN BY WHITE KIDS WHO THINK THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT? Go back to Reddit and quit making encyclopedias your haven for your look-what-I-can-get-away-with brand of racism. I support the deletion/merge. 50.98.18.29 (talk) 20:27, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

"Use in language" section[edit]

The editor needs to check their facts and find other sources to site because the information presented is very inaccurate. "Nigga" is still not widely accepted among blacks when used by any other race.--68.201.118.165 02:46, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Do you have sources for your assertion? If so, list them here and use {{editprotected}} so that we can add information about how different sources disagree. --Damian Yerrick (talk | stalk) 14:19, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
Why do I need to find a source on the website when I'm a source of my own? That statement was made with no basis in fact. I can find thousands and thousands of blacks of all ages that will not accept the usage of that word by any other race.--Mphifer254 16:59, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
If you read the section again, you will notice that it doesn't say the term is "widely accepted" among blacks when used by any other race, so how is it inaccurate? Rockpocket 07:53, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
"A source of my own"? That's not how Wikipedia generally does things. Or has your survey about acceptance of "nigga" among various Black communities been published by a more-or-less reputable source? --Damian Yerrick (talk | stalk) 18:49, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

"Niggas" as bodyguards for controversial figures[edit]

The word is increasingly being used to refer to an entourage..perhaps reminiscent of the civil rights movement when figures like MLK, Malcolm X and James Brown required protection from enemies..."where's my niggaz" is a common expression in an urban school environment. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.95.73.2 (talkcontribs) 01:46, 30 March 2007

Do you have a source for this? Rockpocket 03:02, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

How Could Wikipedia [Community] Allow This Shoddy Article?[edit]

Regarding the article on "nigga..." Wikipedia [community] has a responsibility to present knowledge in a fair and balanced manner. So many people rely upon it as a standard. Peers, you would be remiss in your duties if you permit this article to stand as being on solid ground!

Wasn't there an erroneous post on this Wikipedia site that actor/comedian Sinbad had died of a heart attack? Does this here "nigga" article merit a similar retraction and revision?

Ask yourselves whether the author fairly discusses the issues surrounding the use of the words "nigga" and "nigger". Does this author disproportionately present mostly viewspoints that support in such usage? Are his sources authoritative? Are the surveys that he rely upon statistically and scientifically valid? His logic suffers from rhetorical fallacies such as begging the question and circular reasoning.

Please people, this is such an important topic—with so many ramifications and implications—that it certainly merits fair and balanced treatment. Does anyone else find this article to be extremely biased and slanted?

I challenge you to go beyond the niceties about undotted "i's", un-crossed "t's", and mis-spelled words. It behooves you as peers to debunk, dismantle, and reconstruct this article. Provide the world with a more accurate assessment of the situation. Can you imagine an elementary school student doing a report that quotes this Wikipedia article as if it were the gospel?

I refute the validity of some of the claims made by the author. I maintain that the use of the BBC as the authortity on the culture of black youth-and the African American people as a whole-is nothing more than extreme cherry-picking. Moreover, the author commits a fallacy of small sample by attempting to convince the reader that the relatively isolated acceptance of the "N" word is— in fact—very pervasive throughout all segments of the black population in the United States.

The article wants people to believe that as of a certain date—officially determined by the BBC—the use of the word "nigga" all of a sudden reach some magic threshhold such that it thereafter became an acceptable and benign word for youths of all races. Such a statement is so laughable and sad at the same time. And that is just the introduction. Why does the article not present the reader with information concerning what does the USA Today, New York Times, Washington Post, or any other major U.S. news media outfit conclude in their studies if any? What do U.S. governmental, academic, or private foundation studies say about this subject?

Instead, the author has to go all the way across the ocean to find a major media entity to support a particular agenda. The author makes it seem as if the BBC is widely respected as reliable source for such a topic. The first line in the article begins with a statement designed to cause the reader to believe that the BBC has issued some sort of offical pronouncement—or edict—concerning notably the American blacks. Since when has the BBC become the decider or barometer concerning the status of the use of the word "nigga?" This usage has been occuring in the U.S. for well over a century. Only a statistically valid scienctific survey would substantiate the claims concerning the relative acceptance—or rejection—of "N-word" (in all of its forms).

Furthermore, how does this supposed widespread youth acceptance relate to the many inter-racial incidents that occur in inner-city neighborhoods and schools: involving blacks against whites and latinos? This author used a few statistically insignificant examples in an attempt to convince the reader that they accurately reflect the use of the "nigga" and race relations in the U.S.. Anyway, since when is it scientific or logical to infer that because a certain group of kids do something, then that particular act is also acceptable by a majority of its people. Does this apply to drug use, under-aged drinking, drug use, dropping out of school, etc.?

In addition, the author of this article disproportionately spews forth views that support the acceptance of using the word "nigga." But, what about all the people who object to its use? These groups get only a few lines worth of space! Such dimissive and perfunctory treatment is hardly the hallmark of a fair and balance article!

Isn't the use of the word "nigga" extremely divisive and controversial? The author makes it seem as if it is a slam dunk case—in support of its use. Has the author pushed a hidden agenda, and selectively included content in support of such agenda. Do his ostensible motives conceal his true ones? I wonder if he is ever so proud of himself?

The author states, "... the word nigga is used, without intentional prejudice </wiki/Prejudice>, among younger members[2] of all races..."

This is a universal statement: "all races". Where is this documentation of each and every race, whose cross-section was scientifically and statistically sampled in order to reach such conclusions? It is ambiguous. Do these members of all the races call each other "niggas", or just the blacks?

Can it not be argued that, in the United States, most Caucasian, Hispanic, and Asian youths know very well that, almost invariably,-to call a black a nigger or nigga is tantamount to an insult? I concede that there are always exceptions. But is this phenomonon so widespread as to merit the implication that the acceptable use of the "N" word is ever so pervasive throughout the United States? Can one persuasively argue that the author has confused the exception with the rule?

Another quote from the article: "There is conflicting popular opinion on whether there is any meaningful difference between nigga and nigger as a spoken term..."

Does the author really think that when a black youth is called a the "N-word," that he/she checks to find out if that is with an "a" or an "er" at the end of the word?

Furthermore, where is the evidence that a majority of blacks do base their sense of who they are-and what they stand for-based upon the deeds and words of a few black recording artists and comedians? If none is forthcoming, then why is this article so heavily ladden with content that supports such views? What about the black professionals' views, the laborers, and all of the proud black American's viewpoints? Once again, what about the more representative viewpoints?

How does this article treat any instances where individuals who were well-known for having been "pioneering," gratuitous users of the word(s) "nigger" and/or "nigga," but have subsequently renounced such use? It is ironic that the more representative views of blacks—as reflected in the major black political, social, and economic organizations—were only given brief recognition. Apparently, the same amount of [in]attention was given to local, state, and federal government positions concerning the use of nigger and nigga.

What are the standards? Can one publish such an article, and sit back snugly proclaiming that because there is some nexus between the sources and the assertions in the article—therefore the article is sound? What if the sources are flawed? What if there is an egregiously unbalanced treatment of the subject matter, notwithstanding the sources? Wow! Lawyers would have a field day on this site, if that were indeed the only standard!

Trosoft 04:29, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your interest in this article. I have a few comments in reply. Firstly, this is a wiki. Therefore there is no single author, there are many, many authors. Secondly, this is a wiki, if you think there is a problem with this article, be bold and make the changes yourself. None of us are paid to do this, I imagine few if any of us are experts on ebonics or african american social history, so we have found the reliable information we could on the topic, and added it. I'm sorry if that is not acceptable to you. So, if you don't think the BBC is a reliable source, and have information from the "New York Times, Washington Post, or any other major U.S. news media outfit" then add that information, or at least provide the source so someone else can. The sentences you quote are sourced. Read the sources and, if the information is not backed up by the sources, then change them so they do. I'd be very happy to help you improve this article, but you need to provide the sources that we can use to attribute the information you mention. Finally, calling the good faith work of others "shoddy" is hardly constructive. How about you actually do something to improve the article, rather than criticise from the sidelines? Thanks. Rockpocket 05:14, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
Note also it is both impolite and misleading to significantly edit your comments after someone has replied to them. For the record these edits were made to the orginal critique after my reply above. Rockpocket 21:53, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
Ok, enough already. I'll revert this whole thread if you don't stop reworking your rant. Discuss in good faith, if you wish to change something strike it out or clarify it below. See WP:TALK#Editing comments. Thank you. Rockpocket 23:28, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Is this how you bully and intimidate people? Sure, you are entitled to regard my article as a "rant." Well sir, as an Administrator, you threaten to "revert" my whole thread. Moreover, this is not a rant, Mr. Rockport.

This is not an actual article. It is a talking point. I thought the editing protocol referred to actual articles, not "talking points." I shall pro-actively select the edit checkbox, if that will appease you. Moreover, sir, I shall study up on how to better edit my talking point. For the most part of I have sought to correct errors in punctuation and grammar. In other places I sought to make my use of terminology more consistent.

I believe that you have taken most of your "source's" contents out of context. You article is so patently biased. I see that many other readers feel the same way. Why are you singling me out for persecution?

You tell people that they can revise "your" article if they have proper sourcing, well I shall research the available, credible sources, and seek out relevant, substantive, and publishable material!

Well, I am extremely troubled by the article that you have written on "nigga." I have looked at a number of your sources. Most tend to be simply the point of view of the writer. That is vastly different from looking citing peer-group validated studies—that were done by some prestigious sociological, anthopological, or related organization.

If there is a dearth of such information available, then you ought to inform the reader of the limitations of your knowleddge. In the cases where you do cite specific sources, some of those sources are merely articles that express POV, or are about a few relatively isolated incidences. If all that you know is that a particular phenomonon occurs, but you do not have hard statistics as to what how often it occurs, then you can still write about the incident. However, in all fairness, you ought to mention that in your article that you don't know to what extent the incidents occur. But you ought not state nor imply that the occurences constitute a societal norm.

You wrote: "With respect, your opinion or experience has little relevence when there is verifiable sources the say otherwise."

In response to this: "How can you say that my assertions are just Point-of-View while all of your reliable sources are mere POV articles?---DarthZantetsuken"

You replied: "Because you are some random person on the internet, they are published journalists and commenators. Besides, they are not all POV articles,..."

What would satisify you as grounds to edit your article?

Your logic seems to be that any even if an article is POV, because it is in print, that that suffices as a source—because you cited it. I want to use the BBC article as an example here. The columinist mentions several types of incidents that occur in the United States. There is no mention of the pervasivess of the frequency of these occurences. However, your article quotes them—out of context—as if they are extremely widespread.

This type of selective inclusionary/exclusionary tactics is counter-productive to being fair and balanced.

So you have placed your peers in a sort of Catch-22 situation.

If they attempt to follow your suggestions that they can revise as long as they source, then how can their source "out-trump" or supercede any claim that you have made in your articles—which is itself based upon a source? And then again, there is your ego to deal with.

I realize that claims supported by reliable statistics definitely should be regarded as being vastly more valid over those claims that are based upon mere points of views or isolated incidents. I don't approve of using isolated incidents, unless it is mentioned that they are just that—isolated. Else, such incidences can be taken out of context or use to exaggerate their actual importance.

I also think that articles by highly-respected think-tanks and government bodies carry significant weight. In addition, so do the views of organizations that actually specialize in studying such matters, i.e., leading sociological organizations.

A likely interpretation of your article: News flash! As announced by the BBC, the use of word "nigga" is now widely acceptable all throughout the entire United States—by all races—as a term of endearment. And those few, old-fashioned blacks who are offended by it—had better get with the times; they should stop being such cry-babies by trying to be so politically correct.

Trosoft 02:20, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

You don't have to deal with "my ego", because I'm not interested in discussing this issue with you if you insist on commenting on the contributor instead of the contributions. You keen mentioning that have sources better than those quoted in the article - great, lets see them. If you can improve the article by better reworking the material there, do so. You don't need my permission. You have yet to provide a single sourced fact, instead preferring to criticize those that have. Feel free to come back when you have something constructive contribute. Rockpocket 03:18, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
Are 2000 words of poorly written rhetorical questions persuasive to anyone? Do they tax the attention and the sympathy of the reader? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.59.105.30 (talk) 19:03, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Introductory Amendment[edit]

I have amended the first line of this article as it CONFLICTED with the close... Let me explain: the first line stated in no uncertain terms that usage of NIGGA was acceptable for all races, however, the pattening of this term has yet to be allowed based on the terms that it remains "offensive." So inversely it CANNOT be widely accepted in usage, only "sought to be" as attempts cannot be gauged only certainties. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Omegared25 (talkcontribs) 11:35, 29 June 2007

Hello. I've reverted you edits for the following reasons. Firstly, the first line does not suggest that "that usage of NIGGA was acceptable for all races". I says, explicitly, "the word nigga is used, without intentional prejudice, among younger members of all races and ethnicities in the United States...". This means that it is used by all without the intent to offend, it does not mean its use is not offensive or that it is "widely accepted". The sources provided back up this assertion. Your change suggests the non-African Americans seek to use it "in the hip hop form" (whatever that means) while african americans don't. This implies there is an inherent difference in intent between races. I don't see any suggestion of that in the references. Rockpocket 18:16, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

use of nigga in 1884[edit]

This is a 1884 print http://www.albion.edu/library/specialcollections/images/AnAffairOfHonor_StrayShot.jpg and the caption read "AN AFFAIR OF HONOR - Whar yer gwine to Nigga? Yer done shot old Sawbones!" clearly proves that the word nigga is not new and is just a mispronounciation of the standard nigger by black people. 70.22.210.47 02:51, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Really? This passage appears to use "yer gwine" as eye dialect for the Standard English verb phrase "you're going", which forms the prospective aspect. It's likely that "nigga" here is eye dialect for a nonrhotic "nigger" as well. To persuade us more, cite a passage that uses "nigga" among words spelled as in Standard English. --Damian Yerrick (talk | stalk) 14:18, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

That comes off as intresting to me. It should at least be mentioned in the article. THROUGH FIRE, JUSTICE IS SERVED! 22:45, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Problems with the Audio Version[edit]

The Latin word "niger" is not pronounced "neye-gurr". It is correctly pronounced "nee-gair", thus the audio of the article is incorrect. --79.73.237.40 23:43, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, whoever did the audio fucked up big time. He says "post-humorous" instead of "posthumous" and "perjorative", a mispronunciation of "pejorative". He also at one point said something like "ethniticities" instead of "ethnicities". 21:33, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

IMO the main problem is that it's read by a clearly white person. A person of African descent reading it would add a nice bit of flavour. They could even read the article to a hip-hop beat. No, seriously. 79.114.169.48 (talk) 19:09, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Rap music[edit]

Shall we mention the difference in pronunciation between nigger and nigga?

Richard Tony Thompson claims on the basis of research that rap artists never use the word nigger (pronounced with final 'R') sound but rather the similar word nigga. Thompson attributes an anaphoric use to it, i.e. nigga means "he" or "she" or "that person". [11] --Uncle Ed 00:52, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

don't see why not. Yahel Guhan 01:00, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

The song "Real Nigga Roll Call" (2004) by Lil Jon, which won a Guinness World Record for the most expletives in a single song, uses the word "nigga" 150 times. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.185.167.181 (talkcontribs) 20:57, 6 March 2013

KEEP NIGGA[edit]

I think that the word nigga is part of the African-American heritage & should not be deleted from a prestigious free online encyclopedia (Wikipedia) nor should it be banned in any place together with its more prejudicial relative Nigger. Even people of non-African origin are using the word nigga with persons who are not "niggas" and use insults of "nigga" to non-niggas. Almost every slur has its own article in Wikipedia, so live with it. If you don't want to see and/or hear "nigga", then don't. iaNLOPEZ1115 (talk) 13:00, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Nigga is just a non-rhotic pronunciation, not a separate word from nigger. It is no more a part of African-American heritage than it is of white southern heritage. What is commonly referred to as African American Vernacular English and African American culture is just a variety of the old southern white redneck dialect and culture. It is no more a black word than it is a white word. It is simply part of the culture and language inherited from southern whites in the 19th century. This cultural heritage and dialect has its roots in various regions of Great Britain, not Africa or a unique slave experience. See Thomas Sowell's Black Rednecks and White Liberals, where he explains the historical background of this.NicholasJB (talk) 14:04, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Error in sound bite[edit]

Somewhere in Section 2 of the soundbite is discussed the use of "nigga" in pop culture. The reader/speaker notes Tupac's "post-humorous" album.... I believe this should be "posthumous," as the album in question came out after Tupac's death, and not after Tupac ceased being funny. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.231.179.166 (talk) 04:43, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Delete nigga[edit]

U dont need it on the site wiki encyclopedia for info not for slang go to urban dictionary 71.10.88.69 (talk) 14:04, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Clip.jpg It looks like you're gauging consensus for an AFD request. --Clippy
Some articles that discuss etymology and usage can be encyclopedic. From WP:DICT: "Articles with information on how a word is used include singular they, homophobia, sexism, and SNAFU." --Damian Yerrick (talk | stalk) 16:24, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

NWA[edit]

NWA did a song called 'niggaz 4 life' directly addressing the use of the word 'nigga' amongst black people, and people of other races.

I think its worth a mention here -- one of eazy e's lines goes 'niggas say nigga we cool, but cracka say nigga, nigga not to fuck up' -- Meaning that the use of 'nigga' is considered acceptable among some black circles, but not when used by white people. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thepoopooman (talkcontribs) 21:04, 17 May 2008

More Gratutitous Use of "Nigga" by rappers...[edit]

The song "Real Nigga Roll Call" uses the word as part of it's chorus, and is used 107 times... Lil Jon features in this song and uses "nigga" in every song... I personally don't think a word should be taken so seriously... A word is only a word; whatever a person makes it is an different matter entirely. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.189.181.213 (talk) 03:15, 23 May 2008‎

I personally agree, but most African Americans don't, but well, almost all of us have different opinions about this word, have a nice day homie--Josecarlos1991 (talk) 06:07, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Nigga should be used more in rap music — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.240.32.89 (talkcontribs) 22:48, 13 October 2008

Wikiproject[edit]

Well since NIGGA is a word widely used in the hip hop community, and also started to be used in this community, and well, also hiphop community made it an everyday word for most of the African American Community, im going to add the word to the wikiproject hiphop, nobody have a problem with that?,ok, have a nice day homies--Josecarlos1991 (talk) 02:01, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Nigga[edit]

Nigga is a word used by tupac, towards other people, meaning Never Ignorant Getting Goals Accomplished. [12] It is a completely different word to "Nigger". 9:30 10/11/08 JakeRB (talk) 22:30, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for stating crap you were too lazy to read above your post. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.185.6.18 (talk) 20:40, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

New updated audio for spoken article[edit]

{{editsemiprotected}} New audio has been recorded for the Spoken Article feature of this particular article bringing the current version of the spoken article to match the current version of the article. The audio file has been uploaded to Wikimedia Commons. The URL of the file is http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Wikipedia_Nigga_Final_Master.ogg

i.e. Please change Spoken Wikipedia|En-Nigga.ogg|2007-03-15 to Spoken Wikipedia|Wikipedia_Nigga_Final_Master.ogg|2008-11-14

Kenjamin80 (talk) 08:42, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Done--Aervanath lives in the Orphanage 03:19, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

What's up my NIGGA! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.0.35.163 (talkcontribs) 17:36, 26 July 2012

How is Nigga different from Nigger?[edit]

I've never heard a black man say the word nigger; only nigga.

The reason for this is that nigga is how nigger is pronounced with an African-American accent, the words are the same, what makes nigga less offensive is because that's how blacks say it, thus, less offensive, I don't see how somebody could be so stupid as to think an offensive word spoken with the accent of the people it offends somehow makes the word different.

That's like making fun of the British with a British accent, yes, it's less offensive when a British person makes fun of their own kind, or insults them, but it's not the accent of the words spoken that changes how offensive it is, it's the person speaking.

The word is the same as nigger, just because some people are confused with the concept of an accent doesn't somehow change this truth, there are articles on a lot of things some people disagree with, such as evolution, but those aren't changed because a majority of people disagree, the reason is that it's proven to be true.

I believe this article should be merged with nigger. 72.208.6.122 (talk) 06:33, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Agreed. 72.213.7.157 (talk) 03:23, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

I'd have to agree, as well. If we're going to have an article on this, we might as well have an article on every pronunciation of every word. Let's make an article for "axe" that is separate from "ask" just so we can include the exact same description of the word with a slightly different background. 174.99.9.146 (talk) 20:56, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

In that case, another option would be to rename the article to "Reclaiming of nigger in African American Vernacular English". I've created the redirect in case we manage to build consensus to flip the redirect. --Damian Yerrick (talk | stalk) 02:47, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
There are sources, cited in the artice, that discuss the difference in useage between the terms. Whether it is different isn't really the point (since it comes down to a matter of opinion), the fact is that its use and the debate surrounding it, is verifiable. Whether that makes it sufficiently notable is a matter of opinion. But since no-one us suggesting deleting it, only merging the content, I'm guessing notability is not being challanged. Rockpocket 10:40, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
I don't understand why this article does not mention that nigga is simply ANY non-rhotic pronunciation of nigger and "African American Vernacular English" happens to be non-rhotic. As pointed out by Thomas Sowell in his book Black Rednecks and White Liberals, African American Vernacular English is itself just a variety of Southern white dialect (just as "black culture" is a variety of the Southern white redneck culture). The use of the term "nigger" in a neutral sense was a part of the Southern white redneck culture and dialect and has continued into the modern black redneck culture. Nigga is no more a black term than a white term and whether or not it is racist simply depends on the intent of the speaker, not the race of the person uttering. To say white people uttering the word "nigga" or "nigger" are racist is itself a racist judgment.NicholasJB (talk) 13:59, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
The problem is you Americans with your fucked-up concept of when one is supposed to be entitled to “feeling offended”. You completely ignore original intention, and go straight for checking every tiniest situation for possible cases that allow you to act “offended”, and then abuse those situations all the way! Plus, your community’s social rules support that too, with everyone who gets attacked by someone acting “offended” backing down and being seen as evil with just as much prejudice as racism.
With that behavior, you’re also devaluing and hurting the cases, where the intention actually was bad for the attacked one.
Protip: If you notice something that you think it’s “naughty”/“racist”/“good/bad” or really anything, it’s you thinking of that stuff! It’s strong>you who’s judging. So stop for a minute, and find out the source’s intention, before attacking him. Or it could be you who’s the offensive person! — 88.77.154.76 (talk) 03:19, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

The word nigga is a satire of black men who pronounce the word nigger with a very strong accent. I really do not think there should be two articles, and we should not delete this one, just make it a redirect to nigger. I shall make this edit now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 15:42, 12 May 2013 (talkcontribs) Can't do it, because the article is protected for some stupid reason. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 15:44, 12 May 2013 (talkcontribs)

thats fucked up..[edit]

niggaa doesnt mean a black or colored person. It means niggaaa ( aka homeboy ) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 07:21, 8 August 2010‎ (talkcontribs) 72.185.44.115

Edit request from 87.52.33.140, 8 October 2010[edit]

{{edit semi-protected}}

i just want you guys to put in somewhere, that what tupac was talking about with nigger and nigga's is that nigga means never ignorant getting golds accompliched and THATS the diffrence between the two, so to be 100% correkt you should type all that other stuff in with 'nigger' this word is nigga and has a whole other meaning. the nigger is a slave - nigga is nothing like a slave at all. i hope you can understand what i write you and hope you will make the wrong - right .

have a nice day

87.52.33.140 (talk) 21:45, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Done. Thanks. -Shootbamboo (talk) 22:17, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Key aspect missing: INTENTION![edit]

This article must contain at least a link to “intention”, as that is the key thing here! It’s always intention! Intention is the difference between vicious murder and a mere accident! Between an insult and not an insult. Between so many things that stir shit up, it’s not even funny. And this one is a highlight! If people knew and understood the concept of intention, and would care to find it out, things would be way more fair on earth. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 02:59, 10 December 2010‎ (talkcontribs) 88.77.154.76

special american relevance?[edit]

There should be a section in the article about how the only ones who care about the use of the word in a racist/pejorative manner are mostly from the United States. No one else is up in arms about it in Africa, South America, or the Middle East. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.248.5.2 (talk) 21:21, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

You're welcome to add this, as long as you can find a reliable source to support your contention. Adrian J. Hunter(talkcontribs) 03:14, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

How about this guy: http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigga nobody takes his name as racist outside of the US.

That makes sense. The article starts off by saying "Nigga is a term used in African American Vernacular English ..." (my emphasis). Shootbamboo (talk) 03:25, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Elijah823, 17 September 2011[edit]

the word NIGGA is a word to describe a white person. the word NIGGA arriginated in the United States of America. It's mostly to decribe a white person who is racist. Elijah823 (talk) 19:03, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Adrian J. Hunter(talkcontribs) 06:16, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Seraphinfalls, 23 September 2011[edit]

Under use of language, please remove the text that I have pasted between the brackets. This is in fact the lyrics to a popular song, not an acclaimed poet (hence it is inaccuracy). Here's a Youtube link of the song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWxoSeqDddU Also it was probably posted as a joke.

[To quote an acclaimed poet "Nigga nigga nigga nigga nigga nigga nigga, I'm 100% nigga Nigga nigga nigga nigga nigga nigga nigga, I'm 200% nigga Nigga nigga nigga nigga nigga nigga nigga, why do police hate niggas Nigga nigga nigga nigga nigga nigga nigga, they hate us cuz our dicks is bigga Nigga nigga nigga nigga nigga nigga nigga, why do you call yourself a nigga Nigga nigga nigga nigga nigga nigga nigga, cuz I'm a mothing fucking nigga Nigga nigga nigga nigga nigga nigga nigga, why you drink so much beer Nigga nigga nigga nigga nigga nigga nigga, I don't drink beer, I drink my own malt liquor Because I'm a nigga Mother fucking nigga man I aint no african american shit, fuck that, I'm a nigga, I aint mixed, I'm nigga N I G G A Nigga You already know Nigga nigga nigga nigga nigga nigga nigga, why you eat so much chicken Nigga nigga nigga nigga nigga nigga nigga, why wont you make in my kitchen Nigga nigga nigga nigga nigga nigga nigga, why you call them hoe's bitches Nigga nigga nigga nigga nigga nigga nigga, cuz them hoe's is bitches Nigga nigga nigga nigga nigga nigga nigga, why you stay in the hood Nigga nigga nigga nigga nigga nigga nigga, cuz I don't like livin by peckerwoods Nigga nigga nigga nigga nigga nigga nigga, why you aint got no job Nigga nigga nigga nigga nigga nigga nigga, seven dollars an hour wont feed my dog Nigga nigga nigga nigga nigga nigga nigga, why yo pants gotta sag Nigga nigga nigga nigga nigga nigga nigga, cuz hand-me-downs all a nigga had Nigga nigga nigga nigga nigga nigga nigga, why you scared to go to court shit, cuz that judge looked just like the motherfucker that our ass on the boat, and made me a nigga"]

Seraphinfalls (talk) 02:53, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

Done. Thanks. Shootbamboo (talk) 05:25, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

Resectioning?[edit]

There needs to be at least three groups represented with clear (section/paragraph) divides between them.

  • Okay with the word as a "term of endearment" for/from anyone.
  • Only among non-whites.
  • Only among blacks.
  • Context matters.
  • Never okay.

-- Raijinili (talk) 08:40, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

etymology[edit]

I find it odd that the tiny parenthetical etymology in the introduction makes no mention of the fact that "negro" was the standard (even sometimes preferred) word in English for someone of black African descent from the 16th century to the mid-20th, and still sees occasional use.

The OED lists a separate etymology all together. To quote:

Probably an alteration of neger n., after classical Latin niger (see niger n.1); compare earlier Nigro n., Nigrite n.1 Compare post-classical Latin niger black person (1582 in a Spanish colonial source).
Some early examples of the form niger (especially in learned use) may perhaps represent a direct reborrowing of classical Latin niger black (see niger n.1).
Forms in -gg- are rare before the 19th cent., and the prevalence of a pronunciation with /ɪ/ in the first syllable is therefore hard to establish. However, it seems likely that the form niger (the preferred form up to the end of the 18th cent.) is intended to represent the same pronunciation (as sporadic later examples of this form clearly are).

And further:

The word was initially used as a neutral term, and only began to acquire a derogatory connotation from the mid 18th cent. onwards (compare sense A. 1b). In standard English usage the word Negro n. had already become the usual neutral term by the end of the 17th cent.

98.246.147.110 (talk) 06:01, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Can Nigga be an example of a term of endearment?[edit]

Just wondering. --173.55.248.118 (talk) 23:37, 26 January 2013 (UTC)NoneOfYoBusiness

According to this article, yes. I've clarified the Wikipedia article accordingly, in the third paragraph under Use in language. Adrian J. Hunter(talkcontribs) 00:43, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

Wait a minute...[edit]

Now, we don't have a separate article for Biatch or Beeyatch, or Sheet (Shit deivative) or Mah as an alternate form of my. It's all just an affect of accent. Koreans have very strong accents and they oftencsay the word "motherfucker," but perople actually interpret it as "mother-father." But we don't have an article for Mother-father (Korean euphism) do we? Because it's not a euphism! It's not a separate word! It's an error of pronounciation and accent. Sure, you might see the word nigga written in some places but that is satire. MAy be worthy of a Wiktionary definition, but not a Wikipedia article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.242.172.224 (talkcontribs) 15:50, 12 May 2013

Nigga and Nigger are the same word with the same meaning. Mispronunciation has lead to a stylized spelling to reflect that pronunciation, but the meaning is not altered in any way. Both pronunciations and spellings are equally offensive (or inoffensive depending on the speaker and context). The two articles should be merged. 71.206.174.89 (talk) 16:32, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Asian niggas[edit]

Has anybody talked about the use of the word in Asia? Usually spelled with one g, not them necessarily using the English word, but as words in their own language. Like Niga Higa for example. The sad thing is that he really shouldn't have chosen that word considering he was born in Hilo, Hawaii and lived in the U.S. all his life, so he grew up using English and fully understands what the word nigga means here. But I'm getting sidetracked. Niga is Japanese for rant. And what about Koreans? I know an old Korean song that repeatedly uses the word "Ni ga," which translates into "you are." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.242.172.224 (talkcontribs) 15:57, 12 May 2013

Untitled from 2013[edit]

racist word — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.126.14.151 (talk) 2013-08-30

Just want to say[edit]

This article is hilarious. I cant tell if it's meant to be serious which is why it's just comes off as ridiculous, especially when I listened to that odd guy read the article. This prove to be too much wtf. First, time I ever seen an article read. People are crazy. Anyway, the Spanish/Mexican version is not spelled any differently. They are using the same word... LeemanBros (talk) 11:21, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

Polish people and the word "nigga"[edit]

Poles in America were often called "white niggers" by the White Anglo-Saxon Protestants. Therefore many Poles in Poland use this term freely (even in the media!) referring to themselves (as a term of endearment) on the very the same basis as Blacks do, but Polish Americans don't due the fact that since 1980s Polish people are seen as "White" in America. 78.8.165.34 (talk) 21:08, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Absolutely true. "Nie jest tak, czarnuchu?" ("Ain't it true, my nigga?") is used even in a Polish comedy: [13] - this scene is a funny take on how Polish thugs use the word. It is also an allusion to the word "nigga" being frequently used by Polish youngsters. 217.172.241.23 (talk) 19:03, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Is NIgga Racist?[edit]

Big controversy lately. In my opinion Nigga is not racist. It may be racist if used as a derogatory term , but otherwise it is just another word for your peers. Would be great if someone black could clarify that it is or isn't racist in their opinion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GiraffeInMyLoft (talkcontribs) 2014-06-27

A reminder: Regardless of what a Wikipedia user's opinion is, the article itself should be sourced to verifiable, reliable secondary sources; the unfiltered publication of one person's personal experience is not a reliable source. --Closeapple (talk) 23:33, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Cultural Influence?[edit]

One line here says "Tupac, who has been credited with legitimizing the term..." I don't see how this sentence was approved for the article. First of all, is it saying that he legitimized the word "nigga"? It's unclear. Secondly, if that is the case, it'd be ridiculous for that assertion to be taken seriously. Hundreds of musicians, comedians, and etc. have used the term; who is to say who legitimized it? Thirdly, as this is an encyclopedia, shouldn't this claim be sourced? Lastly, the whole sentence is of suspect relevance, regardless of the wording. Is my suspicion misplaced, or do you think I can get away with deleting this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:3c7:8101:151a:85bc:c6ba:b37c:827 (talkcontribs)

Actually, the claim is sourced. The source cited at the end of the sentence (this one) states "Rapper Tupac Shakur was credited with legitimizing the term 'nigga' when he came out with the song 'N.I.G.G.A.,' which he said stood for 'Never Ignorant Getting Goals Accomplished.'" Whether such a source is sufficient for the claim, I'm not sure. Adrian J. Hunter(talkcontribs) 23:22, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
Though I can see now that it was sourced, I still stand by my claim that it was both poorly written and of suspect relevance. Just because the article that it sources claims Tupac legitimized the term doesn't make it so. The way it is written in the Wikipedia article seems to imply that his legitimization of the term is fact, when it's quite clear that no one person can claim such a phrase. Perhaps the phrase could be rewritten to "helped popularize" the term by using the acronym. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:3C7:8101:151A:295D:A2C:8623:8295 (talk) 13:54, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

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Reappropriation[edit]

This article is missing a section describing the possible reasons that many black people use the word nigga. Especially in black hip hop music, normal conversation and literature. Nigga is one of the most common reappropriated words in modern usage. This article needs a section on the reappropriation of nigga, or more specifically the reappropriation of nigger commonly expressed as nigga. User:31.48.31.192

Nigga please[edit]

Is it OK for a white person to say "nigga" to a black person? Why or why not? Matt2626 (talk) 08:31, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

Wigger please[edit]

What is a wigger? Matt2626 (talk) 08:36, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

Answer... a white guy who says "nigga please" to a black guy and finds the response he gets so befuddling that he goes on Wikipedia in search of epiphany (feeling)? Please remember that this is WP:NOT#CHAT. Alt lys er svunnet hen (talk) 05:13, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

Kayfabe and Snoop Dogg in the WWE HOF[edit]

  • Nigga, what in the triple 6 is going on with the slow killing of music, words and company binezz. I can't see a future for the Nation of Domination nor the Nation of Islam if more niggas don't have access in San Quentin to the history of code of this encyclopedia from those that were down from day one. Wikiworld2 (talk) 03:48, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

Word[edit]

It's just the word nig'ger spelt differently. At some point the alternative spelling must have came into common usage in America, but the article doesn't say anything about that.

(the filter wouldn't accept nig'ger, so had to use an apostrophe) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7D:8AA3:C300:5BD:EB45:1178:1FD4 (talk) 22:58, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 January 2017[edit]

This is not the only source, but is factual (information below) This information dates back further to the meaning as well as the river in Africa. Please update.

https://kamalaladil.com/2012/12/22/negus-n-negaste-niggers-nigga/

NEGUS (n). Negaste. Niggers. Nigga. December 22, 2012 by KAA 24 Comments NEGUS (n). Negaste. Niggers. Nigga. A unique derivative of an ancient title. NEGUS (n). is “King” a term originated from Abyssinia. A king- used as a title of the sovereign of Ethiopia. This term is originated by its native Ethiopian Amharic language. Since the creation of the title NEGUS (n) has been used to identify but defined differently to physiologically change the minds of captive Africans to re think of themselves as someone less than whom they were. Many western names like Negus originate from religious texts like the Bible, the Bhagavadgītā, the Quran, and so on. Often these names relate to a religious expression such as “Worthy of praise”. Many western names like Negus originate from religious texts like the Bible, the Bhagavadgītā, the Quran, and so on. Often these names relate to a religious expression such as “Worthy of praise”. NEGUS NAGASTE (King of Kings) Prayer A prayer of the Negus Negaste (i.e. King of Kings): “May the Lord of Heaven make strong my kingdom! And as he has this day conquered for me my enemy may he conquer for me wheresoever I go … (I will rule) the people with righteousness and justice, and will not oppress them.” I praise Allah, except whom there is none to be worshipped, who is the Ruler of the world. He is innocent and pure free from all blemishes, defects, flaws, or shortcomings). He gives refuge and sustains all. I do admit that Isa (Jesus) (peace be upon him) son of Mariam (Mary), was the soul from Allah and His word (Order), he was infused to Mariam, who was clean and proof against evil. KEBRA NAGASTE, or the Book of the Glory of Kings of Ethiopia, has been in existence for at least a thousand years, and contains the true history of the origin of the Solomonic line of kings in Ethiopia. It is regarded as the ultimate authority on the history of the conversion of the Ethiopians from the worship of the sun, moon, and stars to that of the Lord God of Israel.

“Nigger” “Nigga” a term form after slavery for the African American by the New World original colonialists

Where the title Nigger given to the enslaved through the African Diaspora mainly of Kings and Queens… and the tribes associated with royal ownership and prestige? Also did African Americans conveniently intelligently re word the title “nigger” to “nigga” to give it a less provoking sense of meaning for encouragement. Never Ignorant Getting Goals Accomplished was created by the late TuPac Shakur to stimulate a change in meaning from the “nigger” original re created term and title. I do not approve of re defining any ignorant word. The practical sense of Slavery The use of Slavery was acts of capture, seize, and control. Typically when an army goes out to take capture of someone they capture the person in charge to control the social society of a particular land and system. When a person captures someone they typically want to capture the persons in charge of King or Queen so it can show the rest of the village that they sense of power and leadership is gone and now your left to fend for yourself. The thought provoking sense and duty behind slavery is to control. Does that mean capturing the King and Queens of the land or Chiefs and placing them into captivity so their tribal association can fall victim to poverty and non sufficient leadership. Without the presence of a dominant figure to administer the tribes and land to structure, that means people will fall victim to outside control and ruler ship. Nigger is now discretely said and used in reference to describe any and all persons of African decent, regardless of social status, income or religion. It is also used to define an act of ignorance. As time manifest from the ancient origin the word has been re worded and translated in a derogatory and inappropriate use against Africans chosen through the Diaspora of the slave trade.

LightSource (talk) 03:07, 3 January 2017 (UTC) LightSource (talk) 03:07, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Not a reliable source and extremely dubious claims. Any such change would require consensus. EvergreenFir (talk) 08:00, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

Mexican-Americans[edit]

I have removed the following lines:

This is reflected in the term's wide use in modern American gang culture. According to a Texas Monthly article about Houston gangs, many Hispanic street gang members call each other niggah.[1]

Obviously African-American/hip-hop culture influences modern U.S. gang culture but I don’t think that undue weight should be placed on gang members’ use of the term, any more so than other young inner-city inhabitants.

I don’t know exactly what would be the best reliable source for this but, apocryphally, googling `mexicans nigga' returns many results of discussions—some disapproving, some shruggingly accepting—of young Chicanos/Mexican-Americans from the ’hood who say nigga. Gangsters are by no means the only ones into whose speech this word has found its way.

Here’s a Village Voice article which seems legit enough, although that’s a New York perspective which, in my mind, Caribbean Hispanics of African descent saying it is a different than Mexicans in Chicago/Texas/L.A. Anyway, please feel free to restore a reliably sourced passage about Latinos’/Mexican-Americans’ use.

Furthermore, I don’t think the passage really flowed well there in terms of natural transition from a discussion of ODB’s “N★★★a Please” to Hispanic gang members. —Wiki Wikardo 20:35, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ Skip Hollandsworth, Southwest Houston After Dark," Texas Monthly, December 2006

Semi-protected edit request on 30 May 2017[edit]

Add song "Hot Nigga" by Bobby Shmurda to list of songs influenced by the word SmokeJulia (talk) 20:00, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

 Done Artist and song have their own articles, so it has been added to the list. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 17:27, 3 June 2017 (UTC)