Talk:Nikola Kalinić

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On 7 September 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved from Nikola Kalinić (disambiguation) to Nikola Kalinić. The result of the discussion was moved.

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Requested move 17 September 2024

It has been proposed in this section that Nikola Kalinić be renamed and moved to Nikola Kalinic.

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Nikola Kalinić → Nikola Kalinic – This nomination is a follow-up to the recently concluded Talk:Nikola Kalinić (footballer)#Requested move 7 September 2024. Since English language does not use accents or diacritics, the default option in the creation of English Wikipedia disambiguation page main title headers should be to likewise not add those marks to such headers unless every entry on a particular dab page uses them. Thus, in the case at hand, Nikola Kalinić should redirect to Nikola Kalinic, rather than Nikola Kalinic redirecting, as it currently does to Nikola Kalinić. — Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 15:10, 17 September 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 12:31, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support per WP:DABNAME as one doesn't use diacritics. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:15, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is clearly a foreign name, not an English name. The two individuals who attract the vast majority of reader interest in this case are indeed foreigners. The third one comes from an English-speaking country yet carries the same name because he's of the same foreign descent, so the matter of what is the "proper" spelling of his name is in turn fairly moot. There's little practical effect on the average English reader to not see the diacritic during disambiguation. Overall, this is an especially odd discussion to be having for a single acute at the last of thirteen letters. (Oppose) --Joy (talk) 18:53, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, English language does use accents and diacritics, especially when importing foreign words. And this obviously is a non-English name...--Ortizesp (talk) 01:29, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Two of three linked pages at the disambiguation page use diacritics, there's a non-diacritic redirect, and diacritics are widely used when importing words. Per WP:DIACRITICS: "The use of modified letters (such as accents or other diacritics) in article titles is neither encouraged nor discouraged". AusLondonder (talk) 14:15, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But not all of them use diacritics so the simplest form without diacritics is preferred per DABNAME which does discorage discritics (unless of course all use discritics). Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:53, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. To clarify, specifically regarding diacritics — alphabets containing letters with diacritics, such as Polish alphabet or Turkish alphabet, consider the letters with diacritics, such as the Polish "ń" or the Turkish "ü", as separate letters of the alphabet, rather than as simply an "n" or a "u" with a mark.

Since letters with diacritics are not part of the English alphabet, such letters should only appear in main title headers of entries delineating non-English topics, such as the Polish city of Toruń, which has no English exonym. There may be occasional exceptions, such as when a person from the English-speaking world specifically makes a point of rendering his or her name with an accent or a diacritic to signify identification with one's ancestral culture.

As for this nomination, it is solely focused upon main title headers of mixed-use disambiguation pages that contain entries with and without diacritics, with the argument being that, in English Wikipedia, the default option should be no accents or diacritics within the main header unless every dab page entry contains accents and / or diacritics. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 15:00, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate the desire to clarify, but this rationale about a 'default' just seems arbitrary. One minor entry doesn't exactly fit the mold, and then we should deviate from that mold because... we should? :) --Joy (talk) 17:56, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]