Talk:Nypano Railroad

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Merge proposal

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To not merge, given that there not arguments are made in favor, and there are uncontested counteraguments; some unsupported objections to the initialism NYPANO, with no consensus for a name change. Klbrain (talk) 11:02, 12 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please use this space to discuss the proposed merge of Atlantic and Great Western Railroad into this article. Pinging @BMACS1002:, who initiated the proposal. Joyous! Noise! 23:58, 5 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have reviewed "ANNUAL REPORT(s) OF THE COMMISSIONER OF RAILROADS AND TELEGRAPHS, TO THE Governor of the State of Ohio" for the years 1880, 1882, 1884, 1885, 1887 and 1889. They consistently refer to the New York, Pennsylvania and Ohio Railroad; therefore, this is the official name.

The on-line reference in the article is not available, and the two other references do not, on their face, represent official documents.

Therefore, I have to conclude that NYPANO is a colloquialism. Unless we are ready to have entries for "Old and Wobbly" (New York, Ontario and Western Railway), "Ma and Pa" (Maryland and Pennsylvania Railroad) and "Old, Rusty and Wobbly" (Ohio River and Western Railroad), among who knows how many other colloquial names, this is a bad move, and will only lead to confusion in finding information. Snile (talk) 23:31, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

As a matter of precedent, I refer you to the "Clover Leaf Railroad" and the "Big Four Railroad." Snile (talk) 23:37, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Would there be any value to a merge in the other direction? Joyous! Noise! 23:51, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This gets a bit complicated; the short part is the Atlantic and Great Western Railroad and the Ohio and Mississippi Railway once formed a chain that allowed 6 foot gauge travel from New York to East St. Louis. (By the way, this was before the Eads bridge was built, so you couldn't get to St. Louis by rail - at least from the east.)

The map shown for the Atlantic and Great Western Railroad is incomplete. The A&GW had trackage rights with the Cincinnati, Hamilton and Dayton allowing them to lay two new rails outside the CH&D rails into Cincinnati. The O&M came into Cincinnati along the Ohio River (the best way into Cincinnati because of topography, but directionally limiting).

So, for a very few years, these two railroads advertised that you could make the whole trip in the comfort and safety of a broad gauge train. The O&M gave in first.

Since I have spent a fair amount of time studying railroad gauges in Ohio, I believe that the combination of these two roads is an important footnote on the way to the standard gauge supremacy we have reached.

And, as stated previously, throwing "NYPANO" into the mix complicates things tremendously, since, at least for Ohio, the Commissioner reports are the most reliable and accessible records we have for tracing changes in the railroads.

I have not attempted to use the mapping software that seems to have become prevalent on railroad entries. Unless it has more flexibility than I have seen used, I won't try. It will be up to someone else to correct the A&GW map. Snile (talk) 02:44, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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