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Catholic versus Lollard records

This page does not provide an objective or even historically probable record of the event in question.

In support of the current page are the recorded accusations and testimonies of the Catholic clergy, who'd convinced the king that 20,000 Lollards were gathered in rebellion under Lord Cobham -- in fact, only between 80 and 100 were discovered, and gathered only as a separatist church -- and the "confessions" of captured Lollarda who'd been tortured and bribed. Likewise, the account of the king's forces, who were persuaded of and in arms with Lord Cobham's opponents in the Catholic clergy.

It need not be said that at this point in time (in which Catholics were permitted by law to imprison, torture, and execute religious opponents - the only remaining obstacle being the occasional defense of powerful English royals or noblemen), the Catholics were notorious for slandering and intriguing against those they deemed "heretics" -- Lord Cobham (John Oldcastle) among their number. They would have killed him the year his protector (King Henry IV) died had he not escaped to Wales -- it is *extremely* unlikely that Cobham would then turn against the king in the vague hope that murdering the royal family would leave the Lollards in better standing.

This article ought to report the whole record of the matter -- and if any single side's records are to be trusted, it would surely not be that of the Catholic priests.

"Oldcastle Revolt" ought instead to be described as the "St. Giles Massacre" - whether or not one sides with the reports of the Catholic authorities and their allies, it is without dispute that the king's forces, prepared to defeat an army of 20,000, utterly slaughtered the hapless band of 100 they instead discovered.

forces. 108.12.208.159 (talk) 23:45, 13 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You can fix those issues by editing the page you know? As long as what you insert is backed by WP:RS.--Catlemur (talk) 16:54, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]