Talk:Peter Hans Kolvenbach
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Doctoral degree at Beirut
Conspiracy or not?
Research before you remove. The term "black pope" refers to the position of the Supreme General of the Jesuits on numerous references, too many to list. The affiliation of the Pope and Black Pope are without question. I find it amusing that there is always someone to VERY QUICKLY swoop in and revert articles when they conflict with the real truth. Truth is fact, deleting facts based on ignorance is just as bad as covering up a conspiracy. To those of you that come off as high and mighty and revert those that offer the truth, well it is you who is conspiring not us.
Whatever the Superior General is called...
Father Superior is the appropriate title for the Superior Generals of the Society of Jesus. The title of "Black Pope" is indeed derogatory and unnecessary for a factual article about Father Kolvenbach. (I'm not Catholic, I just don't think there should be a double standard on Wikipedia.) Most of the articles regarding the Jesuit order and the so-called "Black Popes" maintain the term is derogatory, and hardly fit for proper use. Unless you have evidence to buttress the fact that members of the Jesuit order call their Superior Generals "Black Popes," I'm erasing the minor passage about the Black Popes. Tlaktan 04:02, 2 February 2006 (UTC) I am catholic and came here exactly to find that which you have deleted - wow another conquest for freedom of speech.
The last page of the article states that "During the 33rd General Congregation of the Society of Jesus, which was summoned to receive the resignation of Father Pedro Arrupe for reasons of heresy toward the Society of Jesus, Father Kolvenbach was elected Superior General. His election took place on September 13, 1983".
If you look at the Wikipedia entry for Father Pedro Arrupe, it says he resigned for health reasons.
Can somebody clarify the inconsistency in the two entries?
What does "according to Phelp, he ordered the 9 11" mean? Is someone trying to imply a far-fetched conspiracy theory that Kolvenbach/the SJ/the Roman Catholic Church in general was behind the attacks on the World Trade Centre in 2001?
It looks like something that can be removed without too much objection, can that be done, please? Ant368 21:38, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
Black Pope, Red Pope, White Pope - it's just a name
The fact that this page continues to be edited frequently indicates the level of controversy that exists behind this subject. On the positive side many Jesuits are unquestionably men of talent and intellect who are involved in work which benefits millions even billions. Their work in education alone is a legend. Certainly many of the students they have trained have gone on to benefit society in countless ways. Men of talent and skill have always gravitated to centers of power. Many of these same men have also not wielded the power found there responsibly. Without question there are many who are fearful of the power that this man and his entire order represent. Historically the Jesuit order has been expelled from various countries in Europe alone at least 37 times by my count. A famous Jesuit, Malachi Martin, in his book The Keys Of This Blood, reveals a depth of knowledge of world events that is truly amazing. His grasp of history and detailed events allows a rare peak behind the scenes of those who wield power. I believe it is in one of his books were I first heard the terms used “Black Pope”, “Red Pope”, and “White Pope”. These terms are merely slang phrases used by insiders to identify the Cardinal who heads the Jesuit order, the Cardinal in charge of the Vatican bank, and the Cardinal elected Pope. Which one exercises what power for what end is a matter of debate and only time will tell. Good and evil have existed in the hearts of men for a very long time. It would defy all odds to believe that the church is immune from either. Christ Himself had good and evil in His own disciples. Despite Christ’s knowledge however, of the true nature of Judas, he did not expose him. In time, Judas exposed himself. Christ's patience should be a lesson to us. Bereanone 11:57, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
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