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It is my understanding that the statements of James E. were already known to the FBI and in fact appeared on a DVD about the JFK assassination, as such it is hardly a 'discovery'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.159.132.62 (talk) 09:15, 2 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Please change "Hout en Holleeder" to "Van Hout en Holleeder". 2A02:A460:9075:1:21C0:E248:C063:C50D (talk) 02:29, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I have updated the name. - Simeon (talk) 16:42, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

July 2021 shooting

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Describing the subject's July 2021 shooting as an assassination attempt, when the English citation from the Guardian only describes this as a Shooting in its headline, needs to be better supported by translating any quotes or speculation from Dutch sources and explaining this in the article. What evidence is there, and what motives did the three (not two) arrested suspects have? What are the cited sources of this opinion and who is saying this also needs to be cited and explained in the article. Although shooting is a statement of fact, it also implies that criminal or more personal motives are involved. However, calling it an assassination implies a likely political motive is behind the shooting, and suggests a conspiracy to murder is involved. This needs additional evidence and explanation. Not Wikipedia editorial opinion as this indicates editorial bias or speculation by Wikipedia editors. It is OK to say so if the sources say it, because that can be verified, but Wikipedia can't say it if there isn't a cited source because that is original research. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 01:46, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

What is more, the sources given in the shooting section contain conflicting information. The first Dutch source states that multiple (5) shots were heard, but only one injury to the head is known. The English source already refers to the local media itself and seems to be a misinterpretation, stating that he himself was shot multiple times, among which once to the head. So far, no injury other than that to the head is known so it is nonsensical to say he was shot multiple times, even though one unverified source claims this. 83.86.184.48 (talk) 09:08, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I have updated the header to use the word "shooting" for now as there is perhaps no need to have a clearly visible citation needed template in the header. There are quite a few Dutch-language sources which use words such as "moordaanslag" and "poging tot moord" so it can be sourced that it wasn't an accidental shooting but I agree this doesn't explain any motives. - Simeon (talk) 09:17, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Regarding the number of shots, there is a video online (which I won't link here of course) on which the shots can be heard, so "multiple shots" is true but the sources may need to be updated for that statement. - Simeon (talk) 09:25, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
As mentioned, "multiple shots" is indeed true, but "was shot multiple times" is not yet known. The only thing known so far, as can be seen in circulating videos and as stated in local news, is that he was shot at least once in the head. We do not know if any of the other shots hit their target, therefore "was shot multiple times" is misleading. OscarVFE (talk) 09:34, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I have removed "multiple times" until this can be sourced. I can only find https://www.volkskrant.nl/nieuws-achtergrond/peter-r-de-vries-neergeschoten-in-het-centrum-van-amsterdam~be392ea1/ which states "De Vries werd meerdere keren van dichtbij geraakt, waaronder in het hoofd." but it's difficult to determine how accurate that is when other sources don't go into detail regarding this (other than 'multiple shots'). - Simeon (talk) 09:52, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I have also updated the content regarding the number of suspects (three, and one was let go a day later). - Simeon (talk) 10:12, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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