Talk:Pierre de Montreuil

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Requested move 2 October 2015

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The result of the move request was: moved. The consensus is that the proposed title is the most common name in English-language reliable sources. Jenks24 (talk) 09:03, 19 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Peter of Montereau → Pierre de Montreuil – Peter of Montereau is a name from the older literature which has been rejected by modern scholars. Robert.Allen (talk) 09:34, 2 October 2015 (UTC) --Relisted. George Ho (talk) 07:10, 10 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - proposer, you need to provide some evidence that can be checked in accordance with WP rather than just make a proposal. Imc (talk) 19:30, 4 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, sorry. I based this mainly on Anne Prache's article in the The Dictionary of Art, who explains the error. For the evidence, please read the first paragraph and the footnote at it's end. Ayers (2004) uses Pierre de Montreuil. Sturgis used the name Montreuil as early as 1901. Viollet-Le-Duc refers to him as Pierre de Montereau in 1875 (see [1]). I do not have Gimpel's book, but I do know that none of the other sources cited in this article use Montereau. When this article was created, it was probably based on the article in the French Wikipedia at that time, which did not cite any sources. The French Wikipedia article seems to have been renamed on 3 January 2011 and cites Marcel Aubert, Bulletin de la société nationale des Antiquaires de France, p. 115-119 (without a date, but Prache gives the date for his article as 1943–4). --Robert.Allen (talk) 20:07, 4 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support - seems to be a good proposal as per ngrams [2]. Imc (talk) 19:37, 4 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - "Peter of" is the proper translation of "Pierre de". I don't really have a preference either way for Montereau or Montreuil. Bobby Martnen (talk) 22:20, 6 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Pierre de Montreuil is used in these English-language sources cited in the article: Sturgis (1901), Ayers (2004), Carruthers (2010), and Prache (1996) (not freely available online, but the title of her article is "Pierre de Montreuil"), so even in English-language sources, the name has not been typically translated. --Robert.Allen (talk) 06:54, 7 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support per sources and the VIAF, GND and ULAN links given in the article. DrKiernan (talk) 17:40, 10 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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