Talk:Philip de Braose junior

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Name

The title of this article is really a nonsense. Philip was no more (or less) a warrior than all the other nobles at the time. Might I suggest that a better name (which was actually used on occasion) could be Philip de Braose junior. Doug (at Wiki) 22:16, 8 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

When creating the title, I went with the info in the DNB article, as I don't know much about this man. I certainly wouldn't object if you changed the article title. Best wishes, Boleyn (talk) 11:53, 9 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'll have a go at that soon. Doug (at Wiki) 18:21, 9 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I think the article's title should be Philip de Braose, the younger rather than junior. The latter sounds too 20th century.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 09:18, 10 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Well, we are talking modern English here. But actually "junior" is the older term. It was used in documents of Philip's time. It's Latin for "the younger".It's the way commonly used by historians. As an example, try putting "William de Braose junior" (with quotes) into a Google Books search. Doug (at Wiki) 11:53, 10 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I never knew this. I'd always imagined senior and junior were 19th/20th century innovations.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 15:45, 10 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Plagiarism

The article at present is plagiarism. It is copied verbatim from the old DNB. It either needs rewriting or crediting as an actual quote. See Wikipedia:Plagiarism for simple ways to correct this. Doug (at Wiki) 22:16, 8 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I can see why you'd think it was plagiarism, but it isn't. The old DNB is in the public domain and thus out of copyright. Boleyn (talk) 11:52, 9 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You are confusing plagiarism with breach of copyright. Read section 5.4 of Wikipedia:Plagiarism which explains what we need to do. It must be clear that the wording is from the DNB, not your own. Doug (at Wiki) 18:21, 9 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This issue has been sorted now by adding a credit to the DNB. Doug (at Wiki) 00:02, 15 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Philip's wife/widow

I propose to remove the last sentence which concerns Philip's widow. This was in the 1885 edition of DNB but has been removed from the 2004 revised edition. It is now believed that this woman was married to Philip's nephew, also called Philip. Doug (at Wiki) 17:41, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]