Talk:Presidential Range (Green Mountains)

Official name?

Is "Presidential Range" the official name of this section of Vermont's Green Mountains? I don't see it on the topo map, and peakbagger.com doesn't have it. The USGS GNIS database doesn't have anything named "Presidential" in VT. Maybe it's an unofficial name? Obviously someone did name those mountains after presidents.
—wwoods 16:36, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

• _ _ Good question, esp'ly in light of loose use of the word "range" in the context of mountains. It would not surprise me if i engaged, in creating the article, in that loose usage, since some other mtn-group-article i named was renamed with the claim that the group in question is "not a range": i probably looked at a topo map to get the names of the peaks after being told something to the effect of there being another set of "presidentials", in VT, and probably assumed that "Presidential Range" must be the formal name for that group.

_ _ Presidential mountain group (Vermont) might be a better working title, as it does not give the appearance of asserting "Presidential Range" as the accepted name of the group, and (beneficially, even tho i don't think this is a WP naming criterion) is more likely to elicit research by those best qualified to do it efficiently.

_ _ I probably would not have been influenced by the then current article on ranges, and i don't think i made any judgment about whether these are a range, i.e.

Is "Presidential range" descriptive of them?

But i added some thots at talk:Mountain range that could impact the separate question

Do the Green Mountains' "P/presidentials" constitute a range?

which is distinct from the questions

Is "Presidential Range" their common name? (If so, some Dab'd version of it is the proper article name.)

and

Is "Presidential Range" a name or description they are likely to be searched under? (I.e., do we need to keep a top Dab there; definitively yes, since we've been promoting the term for three years via (static and dynamic) clones, and we'll continue to via static clones.)

Oh, as to "(Green Mountains)" vs. "(Vermont)", i think there was an effort (perhaps failed, in view of the current Dab'g of at least "Sierra Nevada" and "Cold Mountain") to standardize range-name Dab'g suffixes on the basis of hierarchy with something like "mountain" or "summit" as the lowest level and something like "cordillera" or "continent/archipelago" as highest. I don't endorse such category- or Wiki-project-wide schemes as a general approach, since most of them are formulated in the relative vacuum of the single category or project, ignoring, and sometimes interfering with, the need to distinguish e.g. Cold Mountain (North Carolina) not just from its apparently non-notable sibling mtns, but from the person and the three expressive works of the same name. And in this case, i think state names (in US) are probably to be preferred over the larger groups the mtns or ranges belong to, for most readers, even if experts would prefer the hierarchical approach -- so i now regret "(Green Mountains)".

--Jerzy•t 18:46, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Note that the experts are likely to worry about cases like Mt. Frissell, which includes the highest point in CT but has its summit in Massachusetts, or the White Mountains (New Hampshire), which spill over into Maine. (Hmm, i guess being able to cite those makes me some kind of wonk, if not an expert.)
--Jerzy•t 19:09, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Lincoln Mountain

I can find no evidence that Lincoln Mountain is in fact named after Abraham Lincoln. If that turns out not to be the case, I propose we remove Nancy Hanks Peak and Lincoln Peak from the bulleted list. The former may deserve a mention but the latter is irrelevant to this article. Tom Scavo (talk) 15:33, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

There is strong evidence that Lincoln Peak and the town of Lincoln are both named after Benjamin Lincoln, not Abraham Lincoln. The term "Lincoln Mountain" comes from "Lincoln Mountain Quadrangle," the name of a map published by the USGS. Apparently Lincoln Mountain includes all of the peaks from Mount Abraham to Mount Ellen. I suspect that any proper name containing the word "Lincoln" refers to Benjamin Lincoln, at least in Addison County. This is why "Mount Abraham" doesn't have the word "Lincoln" in it. Tom Scavo (talk) 15:33, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

I trimmed the number of major peaks in the Presidential Range to five (Mount Abraham, Mount Grant, Mount Cleveland, Mount Roosevelt, Mount Wilson) and removed the reference to Lincoln Mountain altogether. Tom Scavo (talk) 21:24, 2 April 2020 (UTC)