Talk:Programme for International Student Assessment

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Out of date and worrying[edit]

Given how influential the 2012 PISA results have been and how often they are discussed in academia and mainstream media (in many countries), this article is a bit worryingly out of date and skimpy. Will move to top of priority list soon - a great time for others to join in! - Sara FB (talk) 19:54, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

Please do! Other than POV pushes (my country is the best!, et al), this has become an abandoned article. Personally, I'm snowed under in the Eastern European area of Wikipedia at the moment (pardon the pun, and no trying to guess what the chaos is about). This article has slipped so far down my priorities list that it isn't even in the same room as the backburner. Cheers! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 01:42, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
I made this article more updated by moving outdated information to a newly created Programme for International Student Assessment (2009 and earlier). Mikael Häggström (talk) 13:49, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

Related merger[edit]

I would like to bring to the attention my proposed merge for List of countries by student performance into PISA 2012. The discussion is located at Talk:List of countries by student performance#Proposed merge.

Dr. Hanushek's comment on this article[edit]

Dr. Hanushek has reviewed this Wikipedia page, and provided us with the following comments to improve its quality:


This is a strong article that does a reasonable job of describing the history of the test and its current status. It could easily add more detail on historical outcomes of PISA since 2000.


We hope Wikipedians on this talk page can take advantage of these comments and improve the quality of the article accordingly.

Dr. Hanushek has published scholarly research which seems to be relevant to this Wikipedia article:


  • Reference : Hanushek, Eric A. & Link, Susanne & Woessmann, Ludger, 2011. "Does School Autonomy Make Sense Everywhere? Panel Estimates from PISA," IZA Discussion Papers 6185, Institute for the Study of Labor (IZA).

ExpertIdeasBot (talk) 14:43, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

Nationalistic POV pushing[edit]

There has been intentional manipulation of this article's content, in an attempt to claim "my country is the best" There are figures for OECD and non-OECD members. Why make a list giving only OECD members? Is it because the top rated nations are non-OECD members, and it allows other nations to claim a higher position? Why give a list based on averages? This isn't about average performance, this is about performance for three completely different subjects.

China rocked this test. Get over it. Spacecowboy420 (talk) 10:51, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

Influence and impact (in Europe?)[edit]

The section on "Influence and impact" mentions, "Until the 1990s, few European countries used national tests. ... By 2009, only five education systems had no national student assessments", citing "Rey O, ‘The use of external assessments and the impact on education systems’ in CIDREE Yearbook 2010, accessed January 2017 at http://www.cidree.org/publications/yearbook_2010?PHPSESSID=baip221utd9v77b89hov0s3al6".

Since Rey focuses on Europe, I assume this really means, "only five European education systems had no national student assessment." I will make that change. If I'm mistaken, I hope someone will revert this change -- with a note explaining why only five countries worldwide "had no national student assessment" by 2009. The statement seems implausible by itself, even without the reference that seems to refer to Europe only. DavidMCEddy (talk) 18:26, 28 May 2017 (UTC)