Talk:Rama Raya

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On 26 October 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved from Rama Raya (statesman) to Aliya Rama Raya. The result of the discussion was moved.

Page name

The name of the page as per Wikipedia:UCRN guidelines should be Rama Raya. Rama Raya is the most commonly used variant of the name in most scholarly sources. Aliya Rama Raya only seems to be a regional variant of it. For example, editors of Encyclopedia Britannica, Richard Eaton, and numerous other scholars seem to be using Rama Raya as the standard name. As per the policy of using commonly recognizable names, the name should be Rama Raya and should be moved accordingly. Let me know your thoughts. Reo kwon (talk) 06:14, 6 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support - Good idea. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 20:07, 6 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Adding C.Fred. Please check the edit history of the page. CatTheMeow moved the page unilaterally when there was already a discussion on this on the talk page. I suggested the same to him previously too. He hasn't responded on the talk page and keeps edit warring and disrupting existing content without engaging in dialogue. Bringing this to your notice. Reo kwon (talk) 16:00, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@C.Fred I have just reverted the page and moved it as it was before, "Aliya Rama Raya" was the original name of this page CatTheMeow (talk) 06:27, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Reo kwon "Aliya * (son-in-law) — a title often given to Rama Raya", refer to the source, unnecessarily don't move the page https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.282973/page/n64/mode/1up?view=theater&q=aliya+ — Preceding unsigned comment added by CatTheMeow (talk • contribs) 06:53, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Question. Is "Aliya" just a title and not part of his name? Titles are normally excluded from article names per the MOS.

—C.Fred (talk) 11:59, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The ruler used to be referred commonly as "Aliya Rama Raya" CatTheMeow (talk) 12:08, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@CatTheMeow So you concur that "Aliya Rama Raya" is neither his given name nor his regnal name and should not be the first words of the article, per the Manual of Style? —C.Fred (talk) 12:10, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

As I have noted in my original comment in November 2020, Rama Raya is the subject's given name as well as the most used variant of the name in English-language scholarly sources. Aliya is not a part of his given name nor is the subject commonly referred to as "Aliya Rama Raya" in English-language sources. It seems to be a regional variant of his name based on his relation to the Vijayanagara Emperor.

Quoting the exact sentences from "Early life and career" section of the article. "He is referred to as Aliya Rama Raya by Kannada people. The word "Aliya" means "son-in-law" in the Kannada language."

The very source provided by CatTheMeow contradicts him. On page 20, he is mentioned as Rama Raya and the same is repeated on pages 21, 22, 24, 25, 26, and so on. The family tree on page 23 also mentions him only as Rama Raya. Even the name of the chapter is "Sadasiva Raya and his Regent Rama Raya". The mentions of "Rama Raya" in the book outweigh "Aliya Rama Raya" by an order of magnitude. So, the moving of the page to "Aliya Rama Raya" does not hold any water. Reo kwon (talk) 13:57, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 26 October 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. to Kama Raya per consensus established. Best, (closed by non-admin page mover) Reading Beans (talk) 12:12, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Rama Raya (statesman) → Aliya Rama Raya – Better to previous version and original name as per historical records and books CatTheMeow (talk) 15:59, 26 October 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. Jenks24 (talk) 11:14, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Whether consensus will decide that the ultimate main title header should be Rama Raya or Aliya Rama Raya, it should be noted that, since Rama Raya redirects to the current main title header — Rama Raya (statesman), the parenthetical qualifier "(statesman)" represents unnecessary disambiguation. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 02:25, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Move to Rama Raya. No need for disambugator. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:37, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Agreed, parenthetical disambiguation is unncecessary. BegbertBiggs (talk) 15:20, 12 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.