Talk:Red-shouldered hawk

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The whole article seems to have been deleted. Is this some sort of vandalism?? Lou Sander 21:09, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Location Comment by User sleeQ[edit]

This hawk is in more territory than stated. I am in South East TX Piney Woods area about 90 miles NNE of Houston and I see these regularly. Their coloring is white body with black flecks, rusty red shoulders, and some tan under the tail. They live, breed, and hunt here at the north end of Lake Livingston in tall tree county. And they are beautiful. sleeQ (talk) 15:04, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Moving Comment by User:67.113.251.194[edit]

I moved this comment by User:67.113.251.194 from the article to the talk page

  • The photograph appears to be a RED TAILED Hawk, not a red shouldered hawk

(in reference to the example photo on the right of the page)

because it seems to be an issue to be dealt with, rather than a part of the encyclopedia entry.

I understand User:67.113.251.194's concern; I can't tell that the photo(s) are of the right bird, and in fact they look very different to me, but my eye for hawks is very poor.

I will leave the issue to more experienced birders. Baileypalblue 10:15, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

It's not a red-tailed hawk[edit]

I have multiple pictures of this hawk and a recording of its call it's not a red-tailed hawk, but it's theoretically possible that it's an unusual variant of the red-shouldered hawk (or a hybrid red-shoulder red-tail). I'm currently researching the subject and have consulted with several ornithologists including David Sibley. I've got a whole page up about this hawk for anyone interested JulieFromVT 10:09, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

subspecies[edit]

The subspecies are not mentioned in the article. There are five: Buteo lineatus alleni, Buteo lineatus elegans, Buteo lineatus extimus, Buteo lineatus lineatus, Buteo lineatus texanus. Earthsound 04:08, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

I added a taxonomy stub, of sorts. It needs some work. :) Earthsound 04:35, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Infobox image[edit]

I moved the previous infobox image Image:Red-shouldered Hawk2.jpg to the gallery as this one had a big branch in front of the bird. The new one Image:Red-shouldered-hawk 1.jpg is an unobstructed view. howcheng {chat} 19:00, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Fish-catching[edit]

Testax - I really wonder why this even needs to be made clear. You want an encyclopedic article to authoritatively state "red-shouldered hawks catch fish". It should be obvious that this requires a source that clearly states so - not a video that shows a fish in conjunction with a hawk on a perch. For all we know, that might have been bait placed there for the bird to land on. It's definitely not a reliable source. Really, if you are going to argue on the basis of that "sourcing", you are going to find very little sympathy. - Also, to forestall the expected reflexive revert - do check WP:BRD. No edit-warring before discussion is finished, please. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 17:14, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

Elmidae - First, Even on the WP:Talk_page_guidelines, the behavior should be be positive, stay objective and deal with facts. I hope a wiki editor would deal with facts and not be too biased. As pointed out in my note, the first time you said "nonsense - no fish involved"; and the second time you said the hawk hold a "fishhead". Second, the section is about the food sources. If the hawk did not consider the fish as its food source, it would make no sense that it costed energy to hold the fish and carried the weight during flying. Note that the hawk flew with the fish carried. Third, fish as the food source of red-shouldered hawk is also described in the Audubon website. The video provides a life instance to support the knowledge. Testax (talk) 18:23, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

The Audobon reference is fine and supports the statement; thanks. The video is still unsuitable because it relies on your (and the uploader's) interpretation that the hawk actually caught the fish, which is not shown. Removed video reference. It would in any case be superfluous because the preferred type of sourcing (authoritative professional publication) is now present; and we don't add references just because "ooh, I found a cool video". --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 07:19, 5 July 2018 (UTC)