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Christian Section

Whoever wrote the Christian section is a strange fellow indeed. It also contains many demonstrably POV statements. I have changed some of the wording, though not the content, apart from the nonsensical reference to the Calum, in order to give it a NPOV. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.188.234.84 (talk) 18:33, 28 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There are some real problems with this section - not least that some editors keep trying to present as fact claims which are a matter of belief. And certainly the debate is more nuanced than some would seem to want to suggest. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Firehorsefish (talk • contribs) 10:14, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This is getting really out of hand now. I keep trying to tone down the Christian section a bit and make it a bit more balanced. Everytime I do, someone reverts the changes. They are not a registered user and I haven't come across them before. I have been trying to provide a neutral "improvement" service to all the capital punishment pages over some months now - but this is just proving impossible. Firehorsefish (talk) 14:12, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

POV

It seems that the opening statement presents POV right out of the gates: Most major world religions take ambiguous, hypocritical, and even self contradictory positions on the morality of capital punishment. I'm thinking it would be more neutral to state something like: Most major world religions take positions on the morality of capital punishment, some of which are ambiguous or self contradictory. Thoughts? --mtz206 (talk) 18:02, 10 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Agree. Jbhood 11:51, 9 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Seconded. LinuxMercedes (talk) 19:12, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Christianity

The statement "A strict interpretation of the Christian gospel forbids not only capital punishment against any party, guilty or innocent, but any vengeance by human hands" presently only the anti-death penalty POV. The supposedly supporting quote (from Romans 12:19) could easily be interpreted as applying to the church but not to the state. I don't believe the above line is true and suggest it should be removed. It would however be of interest to see how various conservative or evangelical groups derive their varing positions from the Bible. Greenshed (talk) 21:02, 19 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Illogical sentence.

In the judaism section: "These oral laws were first recorded around 200 BCE in the Mishnah and later around 600 BCE in the Babylonian Talmud." This doesnt make sense since 600 BCE is before 200 BCE, I would correct it but am not sure if the error was in transposing the dates or incorrect usage of 'later'. 129.42.208.182 16:25, 31 October 2006 (UTC) I changed it from BCE to CE,I dont have a source for that specific date, but (from what i remember) it does seem to be around when it actually was. As well, I think, as per UTC's question, that it is indeed the original author's intent.[reply]

Except CE should not be used, use AD. LinuxMercedes (talk) 19:13, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A few problems in the Christianity section

"calum"--What is a calum? I looked in several dictionaries (including Onelook) and none of them had a definition that made sense in this context. A spelling typo?

"Christianity is based on the teachings of Christ and so gives precedence to the New Testament of the Bible."--Actually, they both are given equal precedence. The Old Testament is the revelation of God before Christ; the New Testament is the revelation of God after Christ. If you would like to keep this sentence, please provide a citation for it.

Finally, I think you should mention Genesis 9:6 "Whoever sheds man's blood, By man his blood shall be shed, For in the image of God He made man." (Scripture taken from the NEW AMERICAN STANDARD BIBLE, (C) Copyright The Lockman Foundation 1960, 1962, 1963, 1968, 1971, 1972, 1973, 1975, 1977 Used by permission.) This is a major point for Christians who are supportive of the death penalty.

LinuxMercedes (talk) 19:23, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Also relevant in Christianity regarding the death penalty is in John 8 where a woman was caught in adultery and according to the law, she was sentenced to death. Jesus said "Let the person who has not sinned throw the first stone at her." Some (not all) interpret this to believe Jesus opposed the death penalty. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.147.104.173 (talk) 17:39, 24 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

statement that needs to be restated

In general, Buddhist groups in secular countries such as Japan, Korea, and Taiwan tend to take an anti-death penalty stance, while in Thailand, Sri Lanka, and Bhutan, where Buddhism has strong political influence, the opposite is true.

It almost sounds like if it says bhutan uses dealth penalty even though they banned it. --Dark paladin x (talk) 02:08, 29 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The article is now ruined

The section on Catholicism has been completely neutered and gutted. Where is the informative quote by De Maistre, or St. Augustine's stance, etc.? Whoowever let this editorial disaster happens deserves a reprimand! It appears that a spammer named "Firehorsefish" is the one who abusively censored and ruined the article. Can "firehorsefish"'s abusive, censorship-based deletions of the stances of Catholic teachers be reinserted?— Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.42.151.224 (talk) 07:59, 1 April 2009‎ (UTC)[reply]

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Improvement Ideas

I think that the very first thing that needs to be modified in the article is the lead section. This should contain some general facts about the topic and then very briefly describe what the rest of the article contains. The current lead section seems opinionated and does not have any sources.

The Hinduism section can be expanded as well. The first few sentences seem to summarize the teachings of Hinduism and fails to relate these to capital punishment. This section is also not cited at all.

Clean up the Buddhism section - there are too many direct quotes and not all are cited. It also seems to be written as opinion rather than fact.

Bibliography

Garland, David (April 26, 2012). Punishment and Modern Society: A study in Social Theory (reprint ed.). University of Chicago Press. pp. 1–320. ISBN 0226922502. Retrieved March 4, 2018

Grasmick, Harold G (June 1993). "Religion, Punitive Justice, and Support for the Death Penalty". Justice Quarterly. 10 (2): 289–314. Retrieved March 4, 2018.

Schabas, William (December 2000). "Islam and the Death Penalty". William and Mary Bill of Rights Journal. 9 (1): 223–236. Retrieved March 4, 2018.

Hood, Roger (July 1, 2001). "Capital Punishment: A Global Perspective". SAGE. 3 (3): 331–354.

Horigan, Damien (1996). "Of Compassion and Capital Punishment: A Buddhist Perspective on the Death Penalty". American Journal of Jurisprudence. 41: 271–288. Retrieved March 4, 2018.

Langness, David. "Voting to Execute: Do you believe in Capital Punishment?". Bahai Teachings. Retrieved March 4, 2018.

Greenberg, David F (May 2, 2008). "Siting the Death Penalty Internationally". Journal of the American Bar Association. 33 (2): 295–343. doi:10.1111/j.1747-4469.2008.00105.x.AnneD17 (talk) 18:56, 4 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Listify this article

All this article contains are the views of individual religions on capital punishment. There is no higher level discussion of religion and capital punishment. This can be more efficiently achieved by turning this article into a list of articles.VR _talk 06:08, 20 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

On second thought, that's not a good idea. I see that most religions don't have separate articles on capital punishment.VR _talk 06:12, 20 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]