Talk:Revolutionary Catalonia

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Really? How neutral is that? I suppose the criticism section isn't enough. Can we have an atrocities section on the USA page to maintain fairness or would that be going to far? The US has certainly massacred far more for far less reason... (talk) 23:13, 15 December 2012 (UTC)


it seems nine articles link to this one, so i'm removing the tag that complains about few articles linking to it. Murderbike 05:12, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Neutrality no real sources except anarchist stories which although do defiently have an element of truth are severley distorted firstly to show anarchists as the "only true revolutionaries" also idolises the anarchists in the spanish civil war which although being part of the movement were not the runners of the movement for reasons more then "stalin was autocratic" overall this article seems to be more of a tale of how great anarchism is as opposed to about anarchist catalonia, ironically based on a marxist slogan.

Citations Needed. The lack of any cited references at all in this articleis a little worrying. I cannot speak to the validity of this article (I do not know enough about the subject), but it cannot be taken as correct until changes are made. Drivas 14:30, 05 August 2008 (GMT+1)

True enough. Please have a little understanding though, the article was written well before citations became a big issue around Wikipedia. Murderbike (talk) 01:40, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Dubious citations[edit]

Many of the citations are taken from blogs, which are inadmissable. There are a couple from random pamphlets: also not admissible (need to be published in a peer-reviewed journal or mass-circulating media outlet, or best of all a book by a respected non-vanity publisher. BillMasen (talk) 13:30, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

As Murderbike notes above, this article was written in an era with much different standards for verification.  Skomorokh  16:52, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes, but I'm talking about the citations which were added a few days ago, replacing the cite tags which I had previously put there. BillMasen (talk) 17:58, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Anarchist massacres[edit]

Another thing: what about the murder visited by the Anarchists upon those considered to be "burgeois" or upon religious people? I'm not signing up to the NKVD version of events, but the CNT weren't exactly whiter than white, either.

One source which mentions all this is 'The Spanish Cockpit', by Franz Borkenau (a book which is mostly critical of the Communists). Unfortunately I don't have access to this book any more. Can someone who does point out that opposition to the anarchists was not entirely motivated by economic self-interest or kowtowing to moscow, but also by the "bourgeoisie" wishing to save their own lives? BillMasen (talk) 13:30, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

WP:LIBRARY might be able to find someone with access to the book. Regards,  Skomorokh  16:53, 16 May 2009 (UTC)


I have replaced the most egregious refs with fact tags. Strict adherence to WP:RS would permit far more.

I am not talking about refs that have been there since pre-WP:RS. I mean refs which have been added in place of the fact tags I put there a few months ago.

Other open-content encyclopedias, anarchist blogs, and self-published pamphlets are not suitable for anything except citing the authors' opinions. Even they may not be appropriate for inclusion.

I've got a copy of Spanish Cockpit, so will be contributing more to this article very soon. BillMasen (talk) 15:31, 21 May 2009 (UTC)


The article is full of pro-Anarchist misinformation. See this. Drama-kun (talk) 11:23, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

I agree. You should have seen what it looked like before I had a go at it. BillMasen (talk) 12:28, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

FYI, claiming bias in the article and then using an article by Brian Caplan as the basis for that claim of bias, is, well, stupid. -- (talk) 10:24, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

cite creep[edit]

Once again, the fact tags have been replaced with either incomplete or unreliable references.


Self-published sources, including

are definitely not acceptable in this case. See WP:selfpub for instances where they are acceptable.

Since there is obviously a problem with sources on this page, which is very long-standing, I am removing references which do not cite page numbers. It is essential to verify statements, and an article which repeatedly cites the "sources" above has lost the benefit of the doubt.

There are a large number of contentious, uncited claims on this page. There is no excuse for this; the article may have been written a long time ago, but the concerns I raised over a year ago have not been addressed. If there is no improvement in sourcing, I will delete all of the tagged statements in two week's time. BillMasen (talk) 11:38, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

In reference to the current 3rd citation, "^Pawns in the Game, 1958, by the former Intelligence Branch (Canadian Forces) agent William Guy Carr." There is a book such titled in the Bodleian Library (a copy-right library). The only information I can get is:

   * Title: Pawns in the game
   * Publisher Details: Willowdale
   * Creation Date: [c.1965].]
   * Language: Undetermined
   * Author: William Guy Carr
   * Source: OLIS
   * Type: Book
   * Snippet: Pawns in the game 

Cannot confirm if the cited sentence can actually be sourced to the book. Note the supposed date of publication differs to that offered by the original editor. -- (talk) 13:08, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

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Myself and Mangokeylime have been discussing the use of the Former country infobox at Talk:Free Derry, and I think the same arguments apply here. This article is not really a "country" article like, for instance, United States, which has sections for geography, demographics (including languages), government etc. An infobox summarises this information from the article. This article doesn't have this kind of information. There is no infobox designed to summarise an article like this, because the article is essentially a chronology. The Military conflict infobox wouldn't really work either, as the article is not primarily about battles, armies and leaders. It falls between two stools, for infobox purposes. Some articles just don't lend themselves to infoboxes, and I think this is one of them. Scolaire (talk) 10:16, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

I still think that the Free Derry article should be considered for some sort of conflict infobox, but this article is not really fit for such an infobox. This article documents a history that involves politics, collectivization, and conflict, there is no infobox that combines all three. Since this article has a wide range of info it allows itself to a wide range of infoboxes. I would enjoy an infobox for this article if someone could find one that fits. Mangokeylime (talk) 19:33, 13 April 2016 (UTC)