Talk:Roy Smiles

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Stubbed

  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.1.101.6 (talk) 22:40, 15 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I have just reduced this article to a stub, as most of it was completely unsourced. If the stuff I removed goes back, it will need some sources, per WP:RS and WP:BLP.--ukexpat (talk) 19:25, 5 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Trying to add a photo of Roy

Adding the box on the right which is meant to contain the picture was relatively easy. (You might like to edit the date of birth though as I only had the year.) However, it seems that before having a picture on this page, you have to have a picture on the File area of wikipedia, i.e. at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Roy-smiles.jpg I haven't worked to how to do this. Sorry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jer16 (talk • contribs) 00:43, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Copyvio? COI & general article issues

A long inactive user (Guoguo12) placed a notice in 2010 on this article/specifically this talk page to overlook the WP:CV of this page (link updated from deadlink) http://theagency.co.uk/the-clients/roy-smiles/ but there are no reasons or justification for this and it completely ignores the fact that this is not a reliable source, it is a primary source written by the people with the greatest interest of painting the subject in a most positive light. Guidelines on sources suggest staying away from these with a barge pole and looking for RELIABLE, INDEPENDENT and REPUTABLE sources (e.g. along the lines of Guardian, BBC - established organisations with track records and reputations, most definitely not the subject's agency). Half this article is copied and pasted from that profile page (not sure which came first) but the underlying issue beyond the fact that we don't just wholesale paste info from any site without any degree of paraphrasing, there is no immediately obvious waiver for using text written and published elsewhere, is that we do not use such info in the first place.
The next issue regards the editor activity of this article. As per analysis here, it's had over 1600 revisions over 8 years, with >92% coming from unregistered SPA IPs. Over 99% of all edits of all 9 contributors with a net addition of >1000 bytes each have been on this article. That coupled with the overly detailed info and lack of neutral tone point to the worst and most sustained example of conflict of interest editing I think I may have ever encountered. The disregard for a number of key guidelines is evident.
Short of WP:TNT, I am going to rebuild this article from the ground up. An example of the rationale of my forthcoming edits: A considerable proportion of the article is about the subject's self-published music career. This would never get anywhere near passing WP:Music or WP:GNG, it is just the not-notable side-project of someone who garnered (a degree of) notability in a disparate pursuit. It is not encyclopaedic and just worthy of a passing mention. In my initial investigations, I could not find a single WP:RS for the music aspect of subject's career. The lede proudly asserts subject was in The Pianist as though this is a pivotal and critical aspect of their career, however it appears to be nothing more than a bit-part. This does not convey a reasonable and realistic image of the subject. All my changes are in line with what this site is, and more importantly WP:NOT. I hope my changes are not resisted and reverted en masse with no explanation or justification. If anyone disagrees with any changes, please ensure they are within the scope of the guidelines and raise them here so a consensus can be reached.Rayman60 (talk) 23:35, 8 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

We continue to have some stubborn-headedness and deliberate avoiding of this issue despite all the advice and warnings........ Rayman60 (talk) 21:40, 26 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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