Talk:Russo-Turkish War (1676–1681)

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Too much propaganda. (unsigned by anon)05:57, 9 June 2005 81.213.13.241 (Talk)

Please be more specific, or just go ahead and rewrite it. -Irpen 06:30, Jun 9, 2005 (UTC)

The result of this war is Ottoman victory. Ottoman Empire captured Chyryhyn 8 years long. Petro The Great took again in second Russo Türkish War 1686 1700. We would be happy when you revert it to Ottoman victory from indecisive. Thank you i have also link with Ottoman victory Historiker123454 (talk) 09:22, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

Regulation[edit]

Please edit according to the Turkish version of:

http://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/1676-1681_Osmanl%C4%B1-Rus_Sava%C5%9F%C4%B1 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Warlordcry (talkcontribs) 15:29, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

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Original research by user:Karak1lc1k[edit]

Usre:Karak1lc1k has added "Decisive Ottoman victory" using this questionable source. This "source" does not state that the Russo-Turkish war 1676-81 was a Decisive Ottoman victory.
"The war of 1676–81. In 1677 a Turkish–Crimean Tatar army invaded and ravaged Right-Bank Ukraine and took the capital, Chyhyryn. The Turks' attempt to retain Chyhyryn was repelled by a Russian-Ukrainian force led by Prince G. Romodanovsky and Hetman Ivan Samoilovych (see Chyhyryn campaigns, 1677–8), and the Turks were forced to retreat. In 1681 the Ottoman Porte, the Crimean Khanate, and Muscovy signed the Treaty of Bakhchesarai, according to which Muscovy had sovereignty over the Hetman state and the Zaporizhia, both sides agreed not to colonize the Southern Ukrainian lands between the Boh River and the Dnister River for 20 years, and Turkey retained control of the southern Kyiv region, the Bratslav region, and Podilia."
Therefore, Karak11c1k's edit is original research. --Kansas Bear (talk) 15:10, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

It was descive Ottoman victory. Ottoman army captured Chyryn and owned it 8 years long. The Russia Tsardom captured it again in second 1686 1700 Russo Türkish war Historiker123454 (talk) 21:39, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

Original research by IP[edit]

An IP has added "Ottoman victory" using Online Britannica as a source, yet according to A Military History of Russia: From Ivan the Terrible to the War in Chechnya, by David R. Stone, page 41, "The indecisive Russo-Turkish War from 1676 to 1681 centered on control of the fortress of Chigririn, just west of the Dnepr River." --Kansas Bear (talk) 16:06, 29 November 2015 (UTC)

Result[edit]

Hallo. I would like correct the result because there is contradiction ! Ottoman Empire won this 1676 1681 war. Russia Tsardom took Cossacks Hetman after that Sultan Mehmed Avci sent Ibrahim pasha with Ottoman Army to Chyhyryn to capture, but its failed, then the Sultan sent Merzifonlu Kara Mustafa pasha and he took finally Chyhyryn with Ottoman army. Ottoman Empire owned Chyhyryn 8 years long. Russia Tsardom took Chyhyryn first again in second Russo Türkish 1686 1700 war. As result are written Ottoman Victory on Italian, Polish, French sites or books. We were happy when you correct it. Thank you Historiker123454 (talk) 17:26, 1 January 2017 (UTC)


Notes

   ^ Davies, Brian L., Warfare, state and society on the Black Sea steppe, 1500-1700, (Routledge, 2007), 160.
   ^ a b Davies, Brian L., Warfare, state and society on the Black Sea steppe, 1500-1700, 161.
   ^ Paxton, John and John Traynor, Leaders of Russia and the Soviet Union, (Taylor & Francis Books Inc., 2004), 195.


References

   Davies, Brian L., Warfare, state and society on the Black Sea steppe, 1500-1700, Routledge, 2007.
   Paxton, John and John Traynor, Leaders of Russia and the Soviet Union, Taylor & Francis Books Inc., 2004.


http://dictionnaire.sensagent.leparisien.fr/Russo-Turkish%20War%20(1676%E2%80%931681)/en-en/

Historiker123454Historiker123454 (talk) 17:26, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

I see nothing that states "Ottoman victory". The website:
is a mirror site of Wikipedia. FYI, Wikipedia can not be used to reference Wikipedia.
  • David R. Stone, A Military History of Russia: From Ivan the Terrible to the War in Chechnya, (Greenwood Publishing, 2006), 41;"The indecisive Russo-Turkish War from 1676-1681 centered on the control of the fortress of Chigirin, just west of the Dnepr River." --Kansas Bear (talk) 04:39, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
Conflict and Conquest in the Islamic World:A Historical Encyclopedia, ed. Alexander Mikaberidze, page 771;
  • "In 1654, after a powerful Cossack uprising against Poland, Russia signed the Treaty of Pereyaslavl with the Cossacks, which granted Russia control over parts of eastern Ukraine. The Russian expansion, however, provoked a war with Poland and the Crimean khanate, supported by the Ottoman Empire. In 1672, the Ottoman army occupied parts of southern Ukraine, and a preliminary contest between Russia and the Ottoman Turks began in 1676 after the Cossack under Ivan Samoilovich, Hetman of the Left-Bank Ukraine, asked for Russian assistance against the Turks, who supported his rival Hetman Petro Doroshenko. The Russian army, supported by Ukranian allies, captured the Cossack capital of Chyhyryn in 1676. The following year, a large Ottoman army, under Ibrahim Pasha, invaded Ukraine and besieged Chyhyryn, although a Russian attack soon forced the Ottoman army to retreat. In 1678, the Ottomans besieged Chyhyryn once again, capturing it in August. Over the next two years, the two sides limited their actions to raids and border attacks before the Treaty of Bakhchisarai, signed in 1681, established a buffer zone between the Ottoman and Russian-controlled regions of Ukraine."
Mikaberidze makes no mention of either side gaining victory. --Kansas Bear (talk) 04:56, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

I wrote to you that Ottoman Empire captured Chigirin in 1678 until 1686 also when the seconds Russo Türkish 1686 1700 began and its final victory for the 1676 1681 Russo Türkish War Historiker123454 (talk) 04:11, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

And your interpretation for the result of this war means nothing. Wikipedia is written using reliable secondary sources. You have provided no reliable sources stating the war was an Ottoman victory. --Kansas Bear (talk) 04:16, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

The link where is written Ottoman victory as result in 1676 1681 Russo Turkish War[edit]

I sent you the website again where is written it is Otomman victory

http://dictionnaire.sensagent.leparisien.fr/Russo-Turkish%20War%20(1676%E2%80%931681)/en-en/

Also in Polish, Italian, Türkish Wikipedia it is written Ottoman victory — Preceding unsigned comment added by Historiker123454 (talkcontribs) 03:05, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

Historiker123454 Historiker123454 (talk) 03:30, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

Hallo[edit]

Hi Kansas Bear

There are written in other Wikipedia Languages like on Italian, Polish, Türkish, Romanian as Ottoman victory Here are the links

On Italian Wikipedia https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guerra_russo-turca_(1676-1681)

On Polish Wikipedia https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wojna_rosyjsko-turecka_(1674%E2%80%931681)

On Turkish Wikipedia https://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/1676-1681_Osmanl%C4%B1-Rus_Sava%C5%9F%C4%B1

On Romanian Wikipedia https://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C4%83zboiul_Ruso-Turc_(1676%E2%80%931681)

also on French English la pariese site is it written Ottoman victory — Preceding unsigned comment added by Historiker123454 (talkcontribs) 03:20, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

Historiker123454Historiker123454 (talk) 03:31, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

Hallo[edit]

I sent you the website again where is written it is Otomman victory

http://dictionnaire.sensagent.leparisien.fr/Russo-Turkish%20War%20(1676%E2%80%931681)/en-en/

Also in Polish, Italian, Türkish Wikipedia it is written Ottoman victory

Historiker123454 Historiker123454 (talk) 04:02, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi Kansas Bear

There are written in other Wikipedia Languages like on Italian, Polish, Türkish, Romanian as Ottoman victory Here are the links

On Italian Wikipedia https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guerra_russo-turca_(1676-1681)

On Polish Wikipedia https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wojna_rosyjsko-turecka_(1674%E2%80%931681)

On Turkish Wikipedia https://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/1676-1681_Osmanl%C4%B1-Rus_Sava%C5%9F%C4%B1

On Romanian Wikipedia https://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C4%83zboiul_Ruso-Turc_(1676%E2%80%931681)

also on French English la pariese site is it written Ottoman victory

Historiker123454 Historiker123454 (talk) 04:03, 3 January 2017 (UTC)


Try reading this. And this, http://dictionnaire.sensagent.leparisien.fr/Russo-Turkish%20War%20(1676%E2%80%931681)/en-en/ is a mirror site of Wikipedia. --Kansas Bear (talk) 04:09, 3 January 2017 (UTC)