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Johann Reinhold and Johann Georg Forster[edit]

The article does not appear to contain any information on the voyage of the HMS Resolution, during which Johann Reinhold Forster and his son, Johann Georg Forster, stopped off in St. Helena and conducted ecological research that came to shape their influential opinions on the effects of human presence on the local environment. Their research was published in the 1778 text Observations Made on a Voyage Around the World. This information seems pertinent to an article on St. Helena. [Green Imperialism by Richard Grove] Aleary1 (talk) 03:28, 11 February 2014 (UTC)Aidan Leary

  • My view would be that if you added everything that happened in a place to that place's article then you would end up with a very large article - E.g. "The Earth" article would be pretty damn long! Pingu7931 (talk) 01:15, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Peer Review Feedback[edit]

I think this article has a great lead in section; it gives readers a perfect snap shot of St. Helena and why it is important. However I found the article as a whole to be rather daunting because it is especially lengthy. It seems that the article is split into many, short sub sections, which I think effects the flow of the article, making it choppy pieces of information here and there. I think it would be most important and helpful to focus on the History section. It is currently split up into 6 sections based on date and each section is pretty hefty. The sections are very thorough, which I applaud however I think it is too much information. If someone was reading this to simply learn more about the subject I don’t think they would even read all of those details because there are so many! Therefore I think it would be smart to cut it down. If a reader was looking to learn even more they would do further research, potentially using the reliable sources already used in this article. I think in making this change it would make this article more effective. Alilafferty (talk) 00:18, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Separate article on George Gabriel Powell[edit]

I have just had an article on George Gabriel Powell published, which concentrates primarily on his life in South Carolina, after his disgrace on St Helena. I'm not suggesting that there be any refrence to him made in your article (which, by the way, is excellent), but in case the article is expanded, or if you or your colleagues are thinking of setting up a list of St Helena Governors, or similar, you may wish to include a link to the G.G. Powell article.

CheersMPCR (talk) 22:56, 8 May 2015 (UTC)


Thanks - I've used the information to update http://sainthelenaisland.info/briefhistory.htm (the update should go live next Saturday, 16th May) John Turner, Burgh House (talk) 10:00, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

• Hello again John. The info you copied on George Gabriel Powell for your fantastic St Helena site looks great. The only suggestion I have relates to the South Carolina St Helena - see the comments I posted on the GG Powell talk page in which it is clear that the name was given to the island by the Spanish well before Powell arrived in South Carolina. I'll also make a small edit to the sentence in the St Helena article re Cook's visit to Australia, as he wasn't responsible for the European discovery (Hartog has that honour in 1616). Cook was hjust the first European to chart the East coast. Cheers MPCR (talk) 23:55, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Article uploaded on Gabriel Powell - 1684 St Helena rebel[edit]

Hello again - Just a quick note to let you know that I've uploaded another Powell article - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabriel_Powell_(rebel). This time it is on the first Powell to settle on St Helena, i.e. the soldier who came with Munden in 1673 and turned planter before joining rebellion of 1684 and then escaping to Europe in 1689. He was the grandfather of George G Powell. Cheers MPCR (talk) 23:24, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

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Africa or Americas?[edit]

Do we have a cited reason for categorising St Helena in Islands of Africa? Although it is slightly closer to Africa, and has transport and cultural links with African countries, the Commonwealth Games 2014 website [1] lists Saint Helena's Commonwealth Games Association under Americas. – Fayenatic London 19:47, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

As you say, it is closer to, and has cultural links with Africa. Air and sea contact with the Island has normally come from Africa. However, geologically, it is well to the east of the centre-line of the Mid Atlantic Ridge, and on the African plate. Affiliation with a particular sporting association is not sufficient reason to justify saying that it should be categorized under the Americas. Everlong Day (talk) 09:38, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

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Administrative Districts[edit]

There are two curious additions to the Administrative Districts table in the main article. Royal Mail Ship St. Helena and Jamestown Harbour. They are NOT administrative Districts, they are simply places where some of the people who were included in the 2016 Census were to be found at the time of the census; in the case of the RMS St Helena, it was further broken down into 56 crew and 127 passengers.(St Helena 2016 Population & Housing Census (PDF). Jamestown, St Helena: St Helena Statistics Office. 6 June 2016. p. 9. Retrieved 16 October 2017. ) The use of the term "District Balance" in the column header just confuses the issue. That there is a difference between the total number of people in the census and the total number of people counted in the Administrative Districts should be explained in a footnote. Everlong Day (talk) 07:53, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

Merger proposal[edit]

I propose that St Helena child abuse scandal be merged into Saint Helena. I think that the content in the St Helena child abuse scandal article can easily be explained in the context of Saint Helena, and the Saint Helena article is of a reasonable size that the merging of St Helena child abuse scandal will not cause any problems as far as article size or undue weight is concerned. The "scandal" was a storm in a teacup whipped up by tabloid reporting, based on discredited allegations made by disgruntled employees; for it to have an article itself gives it very undue weight. Neil S. Walker (talk) 21:55, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

See also Saint Helena#Child abuse scandal which is more than sufficient, and probably needs an extra sentence or two about the subsequent debunking of the allegations. Neil S. Walker (talk) 22:09, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
Support - Given that the allegations were debunked as lurid fantasies, it is WP:UNDUE to have a separate article, and what little is relevant can be placed here. 82.39.49.182 (talk) 10:38, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
  • ‘’’SUPPORT’’’ - the report found nothing of interest. Amisom (talk) 22:20, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

Redundant airport sections[edit]

The sections Saint Helena#Air and Saint Helena#Airport are redundant. Largoplazo (talk) 22:52, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

Slaves[edit]

In the article, the writer says that the ban on importation of slaves prevented any increase in their numbers. It's hard to believe that statement hasn't already been edited out. Thr slave population which was already on the island managed to reproduce in the same manner as any other human population. Myboo127 (talk) 13:39, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

External links[edit]

I removed some external links, because, as I said in the edit summary, three were not live and one was in Swedish. Someone has put them back, without saying why. Without explaining their own changes, they demanded that I explain mine. So:

The three non-live links were to versions at archive.org, which are incomplete, slow, and years out of date. One of them in fact is functional and would not even need to be the archive.org version, but it's a blog. See WP:ELNO. The other two do not look to contain anything that would make it essential for a years-out-of-date slow copy to be linked; see WP:ELYES and please describe what criterion you think applies if you disagree. And as for Swedish - Wikipedia:External links says "Outside of citations, external links to English-language content are strongly preferred". A Swedish language web page would be useless even if there were some connection between St Helena and Sweden. There is not. Reedsrecap (talk) 09:27, 4 July 2018 (UTC)