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In the Scottish Highlands article, note the sentence:

Culturally the area is quite different from the Scottish Lowlands.

This is absolutely correct and one of the main reasons why the Northeast plain around Aberdeen should not be considered part of the Highlands. It is culturally and geographically part of the Lowlands. The Highlands start west of it on a line which roughly follows the foothills of the mountains. Ie Stonehaven, Aboyne, Alford, Dufftown, Nairn, approximately. The Battle of Harlaw was only one example of the area fighting off the predations of the "wild Highlandmen". The article needs to be altered to show this. -- Derek Ross 01:11, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Thanks. Point taken, Derek. You have more knowledge of the area than I! I'll try to rewrite in away that makes it clear that the NE plain is 'not' the Highlands. However, for the sake of simplicity, I suggest keeping the three-way division of Scotland - as this is written for the layman.

-- Regards, Bruce Agendum 22:14, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)

I note that in common with Scottish Highlands the article divides Scotland into just two (somewhat overlapping) areas and ignores the more modern concept of Highlands and Islands. In broad terms the latter brings together in one area the Far North (including Orkney and Shetland) and the Highlands. Also the article's structure seems not to cater for discussion of centuries of cultural conflict between Highlander and Lowlander, and how this has created shifting perceptions of what is Highland and what is Lowland. Laurel Bush 09:23, 31 May 2005 (UTC).

I've removed Ayrshire from the list of counties that were traditionally both Highland and Lowland. The tradional county of Ayrshire contained neither Arran nor the Cumbraes (rural islands which may give the county some claim to be Highland).

In fact Arran & the Cumbraes were part of the traditional county of Bute.

I think the confusion has arisen from the fact that nowadays North Ayrshire contains these islands and may be seen as being both Highland & Lowland.


Having read this article it bears no relationship to what I remember being taught under the Scottish education system about Scottish geography. Are there any citations to back any of this up? Of course I look to learn new things everyday.

Regards, Socheid (talk) 19:22, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

As helpful as an article on this subject would be, as it appears today this article runs contrary to the Wikipedia rule against publishing original content. There are no references contained here. (talk) 20:43, 22 August 2011 (UTC) (talk) 20:43, 22 August 2011 (UTC)


Is the map used here particularly helpful? The boundary shown on the map bears no similarity to any of the boundaries given in the text. This may be the problem of the text, rather than the map, but whichever is at fault needs amending. As it stands, the map, which is supposed to assist in understanding the text, is about as much use as a chocolate teapot. Skinsmoke (talk) 03:54, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Highlands vs. Lowlands[edit]

I was reading an article about a massacre in the Highlands and it casually noted the animosity between people from these different regions of Scotland that helped make the killings possible. I came to this article hoping to learn more and find out what this was all about but it is very light on history or on why there were these political divisions.

As someone in the U.S. who was not taught the history of Scotland or the UK, an explanation of this dispute would really enhance this piece for readers unfamiliar with the area. (talk) 22:16, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

To somewhat simplify, what we call 'Scotland' was in essence once two (in fact more) countries: Scot-land and Bernicia. The Gaelic-speaking Scots lived in what was called Scotland-proper i.e. the Highlands, and the English-speaking Bernicians in the Lowlands. When the Normans took over Britain after 1066 they later parachuted King David onto the Scots throne. David with his Norman allies ruled from the Lowlands rather than from within Scotland-proper. Over time the Lowlanders who historically called themselves English came to call themselves Scots and to refer to the still-tribal Highlanders as 'Irish' and describe them as 'savages'. The antipathy and mistrust between Highlander and Lowlander only seems to have begun to wear off in the decades after the 1745 rebellion. Cassandrathesceptic (talk) 15:29, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
Note to Mutt Lunker who deleted this answer. Do please go to arbitration if you don't like this answer. Making malicious deletions simply because you don't like the factual content is not helpful to anyone. Cassandra — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cassandrathesceptic (talkcontribs) 17:36, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
To paraphrase myself regarding edits of yours elsewhere “Yet again, it's about your multi-article coatracking of (nebulous POVs*) that I couldn't characterise, let alone dispute. Pertinence, not accuracy…Your contribution is characteristically opportunistic, off-topic and disruptive.”
The post that you have latched on to here (both as an IP-sock then returning under your occasional user name) notes a perceived deficiency in the article. (Whether this is the right article to cover that deficiency (History of Scotland etc. may be better) and quite what it is, without having more information as to which event the user refers to, its period and the antagonists involved (“a massacre in the Highlands” is not a narrow field), is by the by.) Again, the original post is a request for an improvement of the article. It is not the opening up of a forum on the matter: "Do not use the talk page as a forum or soapbox for discussing the topic. The talk page is for discussing how to improve the article.", particularly not to rehash one of the POV pieces you have pushed at multiple article talk pages. Your "answwer" clearly isn’t a genuine attempt to respond to the original post or to provide reliably sourced and WP:NPOV material for the article itself.
(*Nebulous but the the signature terms are "Scot-land" and "Lowlanders...called themselves English".)
Mutt Lunker (talk) 21:56, 5 December 2015 (UTC)