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Date of origin?[edit]

I can't be more specific on when the term was first coined - It was not in use in the third edition handbook (from 1927, I have my grandfather's copy). It WAS in use in the sixth edition handbook, first published in 1959 - I have my uncle's and father's copies from 1960s printings. It fell OUT of use by the ninth edition handbook in 1979, but may have already fallen out of use in an earlier edition. It's not used in the tenth edition (1990) either, and I don't have a copy of the eleventh, the current edition. If anyone has copies of more editions, please fill in the appropriate information? --JohnDBuell 16:22, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

I cant't see how this proves that it was the BSA who coined the term. The Irish Scoutcraft competitions having been using the term for decades too. As far as i can see Wikipedia:Verifiability is certainly in question--Stevecull 15:45, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

I wouldn't say it's not verifiable; if prior usage can be found outside the BSA, it simply will require a rewrite. --JohnDBuell 15:47, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
It's used by Baden-Powell himself in Scouting for Boys Horus Kol 12:24, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Article Expansion[edit]

I will soon be editing this article with a more thorough explanation of ScoutCraft (Now officially called the Outdoor Skills program area in BSA material and training) and program goals. This will include summaries of ScoutCraft skills, practical applications, and merit badges considered "ScoutCraft" badges. ProgramPat 07:04, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Correct?[edit]

I see swimming. I know atleast at the camp i work at, thats a waterfront skill.

At the time the term started to come into use in BSA Handbooks though, it was part of "Scoutcraft". That's what I based the original list on. --JohnDBuell 23:08, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Merge from Firecraft[edit]

Proposal to merge the information in the Firecraft article as a section of the Scoutcraft article and redirect the original article (Support, Oppose, Comment):

  • Support - there isn't a lot more that can be said about Firecraft, and it will make more sense to include it within the main article as a section than a seperate article. Horus Kol 11:30, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

*Support - I have no idea why this article has the Scouting project tag, but it is never going to grow. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 11:54, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

  • comment, this one, in particular, actually makes more sense merged into Making fire. Chris 04:01, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
Fair point... Horus Kol 12:46, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
I think Chris' idea is better. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 13:36, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge per Chris rm project tag from Firecraft.Rlevse 17:40, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment: It looks like Firecraft came from Bushcraft - perhaps re-merging an explanation of the term into that article AND a mention in Making fire? I can't say I recall Firecraft being mentioned as part of Scoutcraft (at least not under that name).... --JohnDBuell 19:52, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
  • oppose - merge to Making fire --Gadget850 ( Ed) 14:27, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Knot Tying or Knotcraft I believe should be listed along lashings or as knots and lashings. Some interesting info about speed tying like:



"Knot tying. The fastest recorded time for tying the six Boy Scout Handbook knots (square knot, sheet bend, sheepshank, clove hitch, round turn and two half hitches, and bowline) on individual ropes is 8.1 seconds, by Clinton R. Bailey, Sr., of Pacific City, OR on April 13, 1977."

The Guiness Book of World Records, Guiness Publishing Ltd., 1996, p. 459.


Many BSA camps have an eleven knot rails which include: square knot, slip knot, figure eight, two half hitches, clove hitch, taut line hitch, simple timber hitch, sheep shank, sheet bend, bowline and a bowline on a bight —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.58.237.124 (talkcontribs)

And many don't; of the five different camps I have been to, none have had a knot board. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 03:05, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Collabo o' the Month[edit]

This is it this month. This article basically hasn't been been edited in two years, back when Wikipedia was much less credible. Therefore, it needs. Here's my preliminary list of suggested improvements

  • More images (at least 3)
  • Better definition in lead
  • Expanded history of differences in what's Scoutcraft from country to country and through the years (e.g. it used to be that signalling was big in Scouting; not as much anymore)
  • More mention of Beard and Seton as well as Baden-Powell
  • At least 10 refs

Purplebackpack89 (talk) 02:56, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Scoutcraft really not like Woodcraft (Boy Scout Handbook 1911 & 2011 ed.)[edit]

Both the book "Boy Scout Handbook" 1911 as the "Boy Scout Handbook" 2011 (one hundred years later) clearly differentiate between Scoutcraft and Woodcraft. But here in Wikipedia claim that the two terms are almost the same. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.137.188.105 (talk) 06:34, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Fire Building[edit]

In this article, Fire Building point to Fire making, which does not include selection and preparation of firewood and the different kinds of campfires discussed in the Boy Scout Manual. Seems like a forced fit. Kortoso (talk) 20:23, 1 June 2015 (UTC)