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A fact from Scybalium fungiforme appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 22 July 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that before they can be pollinated, Scybalium fungiforme flowers (example pictured) need to be forcefully peeled open by possums or tanagers?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2024/July. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Scybalium fungiforme.

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Premeditated Chaos talk 10:19, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The flower of Scybalium fungiforme

* ... that the flowers of Scybalium fungiforme are covered in sharp scales that require opossums, with their opposable claws, to tear them open?

Source: "Today, scientists have added another oddity to the list. Researchers had long suspected that because the female flowers of S. fungiforme are covered in hard scales that shield its nectar, it couldn't be pollinated by a bird or bee. And now, thanks to night vision cameras, scientists have their culprit: opossums." Shultz, David (12 February 2020). "Caught in the act: Opossums pollinate bizarre parasitic plant". Science. American Association for the Advancement of Science. doi:10.1126/science.abb2822. Retrieved 7 June 2024.

Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Esther Tailfeathers
Comment: If there are any alternative wordings for the hook, I would be very much welcome to hear it! It is a very interesting plant that I believe would make a great hook. Thank you in advance to the reviewer for taking their time reading through this article!

Created by Ornithoptera (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 32 past nominations.

Ornithoptera (talk) 21:06, 7 June 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Starting Review--Kev min § 17:02, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Article new enough and long enough. The sections are all cited, and sources are all of good quality and neutrally represented. The description section is a little close to the translated source text and should be massaged into smoother flowing prose. As an alternative to hook, you could go with

*Alt1 ... that the primary pollinators of the parasitic Scybalium fungiforme plant (pictured) are saruê possums?--Kev min § 16:30, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Kevmin:! Thank you for taking the time to read through the article, ~~and I will definitely take into account your suggestion in a moment~~ (just reworded in accordance to your suggestion, if you have any more suggestions to help with the flow, you are welcome to share them!). I appreciate the alternative hook, but to me it feels a bit dry. I would like to emphasize in the hook how the flowers are torn open by possums. Matter of factly telling people that an animal pollinates plants (both of which they might not know) feel a bit dry to those who are not familiar with plant pollination. To folks who are familiar with pollination, knowing that mammals pollinate flowers is an uncommon pollination method and thus interesting, but its too niche to be hook-y to me. Including the idea that the flowers are essentially hidden away until they are torn open could be quite interesting to someone unfamiliar with the subject area. Ornithoptera (talk) 19:29, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Ornithoptera: I can respect that. With the original hook, its long feeling, we should be looking to streamline it. None of the sources used so far have called the inflorescence scales "sharp", as a note. The Amorim et al 2020 paper specifically uses the terms "scrap and remove" and "desquamate" so maybe going with a peeling analogy. Also did you see there is a Dec 2002 paper also lead by Amorim which details bat visitation to the flowers doi:10.1002/ecy.3935 and documents two possum species and a second major scale removing group in the ruby-crowned tanager, Tachyphonus coronatus?--Kev min § 20:21, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Alt2...that before they can be pollinated, flowers of Scybalium fungiforme need to be forcefully peeled open by possums or tanagers?

@Kevmin: Hi! I did not! Fascinating resource though! It sounds like a much improved hook, and I didn't notice that article while I was doing my research! You are very much welcome to insert it into the article, but it sounds good to me! Ornithoptera (talk) 20:57, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Kevmin: Hi! I haven't heard from you in a bit ever since I had replied last so I wanted to hear your thoughts on the matter and continue with the review? Ornithoptera (talk) 20:32, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry about the lack of replies, Life got hectic with a burst water heater. If you want me to add the last source, I can do it, but that means adding me to the nom as a contributor and asking for a full review from an uninvolved editor. It would be easier for you to do an update to the article with paper #2 and I can then verify the alt hook and check the nom as good to go.--Kev min § 16:54, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Ornithoptera: which of these two options would you prefer to pursue?--Kev min § 18:27, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Kevmin: Hey, sorry, frankly I read the response in my head and forgot to respond entirely, my apologies. My sincerest apologies in regards to what's been going on in your life at the moment and thank you for taking the time out of your schedule to review the DYK nomination regardless. I hope it is resolved as soon as possible and hoping the best for you and anyone else who is affected. I will choose the easier option and update the article myself. Thank you for informing me that the option I had suggested would lead to that, I didn't know that would happen. I'll do my best to update the article later today and ping you once I have completed it! Ornithoptera (talk) 21:29, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Ornithoptera: No worries, the larger life things resolved over the past week and I have more free time again (plus insidious temps outside so more reason to be inside writing :D ). Its in the subrules for DYK so may contributors don't know about it until the specific senarios present themselves. Basically as soon as a reviewer provides anything more then cosmetic edits to a nominated article they are considered a nominator and not a reviewer and thus a new review is needed with a non-nominator. I dont mind doing the update if you would like me too, mostly it will mean the nomination gets punted back and we wait for another reviewer to vet our combined work.--Kev min § 22:58, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Kevmin: Howdy! I just completed the addition per your suggestions, I'll take a further look through this article in the next few days but the requisite information has been added to the article to bring it up to par with the new hook. I would like to express my appreciation for your patience and it's been an absolute pleasure working with you on this article! I hope we can work together again in the future! Ornithoptera (talk) 01:46, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

With the additional reference added to the article and no major changes in the article during the time which passes over the nomination being open, I do believe we are now good to go! Alt2 is now in the article space and confirmed to the source paper. Im glad to have been able to work with you on this one as well and I suspect we will overlap on thing somewhere in the future as well.--Kev min § 17:36, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]