Talk:Shelby Foote

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Update death[edit]

Someone should update the information about his death and remove where he currently lives. Tfine80 28 June 2005 18:00 (UTC).

Ibelieve that he is most certainly not interred where this article states. The forrests are buried in a park overlooking the University of Tennessee Medical School. 76.246.31.217 (talk) 16:27, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Love Interest ???[edit]

Can we dispense with this TV-based crap language? A person is not "a love interest" in the real world. Either it's a woman, or a man, or a sheep, or whatever. Can we obtain the facts and be a little more specific? Cheers JackofOz 28 June 2005 23:46 (UTC) http://www.usatoday.com/life/people/2005-06-28-shelby-foote-obit_x.htm?csp=34

Jewishness?[edit]

If Foote "never felt Jewish", then I'm wondering why there's so much devoted here to his Jewish ancestry. Is this a southern POV that it would be controversial that Foote was Jewish? I don't understand.

For whatever it's worth, anti-Semitism wasn't as strong in the Old South as non-Southerners might expect (though it definitely existed). Several Jewish regiments fought for the Confederacy- Mississippi raised the most, I believe- and there are synagogues in the South dating back to the early nineteenth century. It wouldn't be out of line to have a sentence or two about his heritage and how that affected his outlook and his place in the world, but that huge block of text was definitely inappropriate. Stilgar135 18:49, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

The Secretary-of-State for the Confederate States Of America was Judah P. Benjamin; A Jew.

Foote and Southern identity[edit]

I added a short paragraph about Foote and his relationship with Southern identity, but I'm not overly pleased with it. The point I'm trying to get across is that Foote, as a Southerner, respects the cause, but he's also very clear-eyed about it, to the extent that he holds several beliefs that true neo-Confederate zealots would find abhorent. Despite this, he's still treated with a great deal of respect in the South, because the Narrative does demonstrate sympathy for the CSA, but not the out-and-out reverence of, say, Douglas Southall Freeman. Anyone who can make that section better, please do. Stilgar135 15:56, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Added bits about historical training[edit]

As Foote is a major figure among readers of American Civil War history, I added some small comments to point out despite lack of formal historical training he wrote an eminent Civil War tome... ugueghjflhdhklfhkdhaxch.kxhakcjka.jfkc

Photo[edit]

Anyone else feel that image of Foote is a bit ominous at best (and creepy at worst)? Is there a better image we can replace it with? --CPAScott 15:30, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

I like to think of it as exemplifying Southern gothic :p. Off-hand, I know there's an author photo on the most recent hardback edition of the Narrative that shows him as a non-creepy young man, and I'm sure there are a few other author photos out there. The thing is that the current picture exemplifies how Foote is best known to the public: the bearded patriarch/storyteller (as seen in Ken Burns' documentary). Ideally, the article should lead with a picture of the grizzled, older Foote and possibly have a younger picture later on. Maybe a screen capture from the Burns documentary? Stilgar135 19:38, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Ire[edit]

What does: "He considered Abraham Lincoln and Nathan Bedford Forrest to be the only two authentic geniuses of the war, a belief that raised the ire of Forrest's granddaughter." mean? Why would the granddaughter have ire ("rage, fury") about this statement? Are there any quotes from this (unnamed) granddaughter about Foote? Where is this statement in the Civil War narrative? Unless some sense can be made, this probably should be deleted... ? Scott1329m 20:23, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

I didn't write that, but I remember the Foote anecdote from the Ken Burns documentary that that it's referring to. He told of having interviewed Forrest's grandaughter. When he offered the opinion of Lincoln and Forrest being the war's two "authentic geniuses", she objected to linking the two, saying that "she never thought much of Mr. Lincoln". I agree that the sentence is confusing and could probably just be removed altogether, but having explained it I'll leave that to someone else. Jkiang 03:38, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
In that case, I'll defer editing to someone who has seen the television program. It is interesting to know what that means, however. Who is the granddaughter? Is she a sister of NBF III who was killed in WWII? If so, the NBF III page here doesn't mention his siblings. Scott1329m 11:06, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
I, too, remember the anecdote from the documentary, but I seem to recall reading it somewhere also. If I remember where I read it I'll try to clarify "ire." BeeDub65 03:28, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

It appeared in "Most Hallowed Ground" which is Episode 7 of the series. It's at the :50 mark of this clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDnhl8nVMX8&feature=PlayList&p=BC670FEC624D1380&index=0

Citations and References[edit]

I've added a couple of citations and an external reference. I'm new to this so please advise if they are incorrect or inefficient. BeeDub65 03:28, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Trivia[edit]

Not sure this is relevant but don't want to just throw it away...(Foote's ancestor, Richard Foote, came in 1688 from London to Chotank in King George County, Virginia, to represent his father's interest in settlement of the Brenttown tract.)... BeeDub65 01:04, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Quotes[edit]

Most quotes were unsourced. Stored here until sources can be located. BeeDub65 03:33, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Quotes

  • "People make a grievous error thinking that a list of facts is the truth. Facts are just the bare bones out of which truth is made."[citation needed]
  • "I think making mistakes and discovering them for yourself is of great value."[citation needed]
  • On his epic: "They wanted only about two hundred thousand words," Foote recalled, "and it seemed like a good way to spend a year or two." Before finishing one hundred pages, he realized that he would have "to go spread-eagle, whole hog on the thing." (From the biographical sketch in Stars In Their Courses.)
  • "I don't think the South ever had a chance to win that war." (From The Civil War).
  • "A university is just a group of buildings gathered around a library."[citation needed]

Anyone else find "citation needed" tags on an article about Shelby Foote amusingly ironic? 150.101.30.44 (talk) 16:07, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Quotation in First Paragraph[edit]

"With geographic and cultural roots in the Mississippi Delta alluvium, Foote's life and writing paralleled the radical shift from the agrarian planter system of the Old South to the Civil Rights era of the New South." Are these the words of historian Dan Carter? If so, they should be enclosed in quotations and attributed to Carter. Also, I don't think it fits in the first paragraph. Perhaps put it at the end? Such a summary makes more sense at the end of the article than the beginning, I think.Cwoodw1 20:01, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

I wrote that. I've never read Dan Carter. I thought of it more an introduction than a summary. BeeDub65 04:37, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for File:Foote0001.jpg[edit]

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Fair use rationale for File:Foote0001.jpg[edit]

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Picture[edit]

Does anyone have a fair-use picture of Shelby Foote? TuckerResearch (talk) 02:38, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Related to Henry Foote?[edit]

Anyone happen to know if he's related, even distantly, to Henry S. Foote? Mellophonius (talk) 19:22, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Shelby Foote's Relationship to Horton Foote[edit]

If the two Foote's great grandfathers were brothers, wouldn't that make them third cousins and not second cousins as indicated in the article? The article on Horton Foote does state their relationship to be third cousins. Raaronson (talk) 12:15, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

User inexplicable deletes request for citations[edit]

The user Springee is now apparently stalking me[1] and has done the most inexplicable edit I've seen in a long time: delete a "citations needed" request for unsourced claims[2]. The claim that Foote has received "generally favorable reviews" is not that at all adequately supported nor is the Wiki voice claim that "Foote labored to maintain his objectivity". Snooganssnoogans (talk) 00:44, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

The user has never edited this page, did not write the text in the article and has not read any of the sources, yet has the gall to say that the claims are "reasonably supported by the citations"?! One of the sentences doesn't even have a citation. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 00:49, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

Foote is not a historian[edit]

Foote does not have a PhD in history nor has authored any peer-reviewed publications. He's as much a historian as Ta-Nehisi Coates and Bill O'Reilly are: just because you write about history does not make you a historian. Foote himself even rejected the term historian for himself. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 00:46, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

This is ridiculous. Many RSs refer to Foote as a historian. Having a PhD in a historical field is not a requirement to be a historian. Would you suggest we not refer to Lincoln as a lawyer because he had no law degree? It seems you are raising this issue because it related to edits you disagreed with here [[3]] Springee (talk) 01:56, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
Standards of the 19th century are different than those today. I'm curious, is Bill O'Reilly a historian? Why not? Ta-Nehisi Coates?Snooganssnoogans (talk) 02:05, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
If you don't think Foote is a historian you are welcome to create a RfC or one of the request for help boards. Springee (talk) 02:12, 3 November 2017 (UTC)