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Merging?

I would oppose the merge. We have articles on characters in Doctor Who, The Simpsons, etc - we should certainly have them on major Shakespearean characters. It needs expansion, not merging. --OpenToppedBus - Talk 16:36, Jun 23, 2005 (UTC)

--While it is true that Shakespearean characters should not be overlooked when considering the fact that there are pages for characters in popular culture, the amount of information given about Sir Toby is not nearly enough to justify having a completely separate character page. The few sentences on Sir Toby could just as easily be included in the Twelfth Night page.

I agree with OpenToppedBus. He's a significant (and popular) character in a well-known play and fully deserves a page. Supersonic^ 18:08, 17 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with OpenToppedBus and Supersonic, but for reasons of practicality. Why does the Sir Toby page need to be on the Twelfth Night page when the link in the plot outline makes it just as accessable as if it was part of the same page.

I agree with OpenToppedBus. Sir Toby Belch is important and should have his own page and perhaps more written on him than is written now but that would not be practical if it were included on the Twelth Night page as it would make the page to cluttered. Dolphonia 17:04, 23 September 2006 (GMT)

No - much more can be written on thi character yet. Lra drama 16:50, 27 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't necessarily argue that this article should be merged (after all, this is a 3-year-old discussion and the article seems likely to have been expanded somewhat in that time—although without references). However, I will note that Wikipedia practice is generally to split or fork new articles when there's sufficient content to merit it, not to keep a stub because it "deserves" to exist or be expanded. /ninly_(talk) 03:52, 20 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

deleted commentary

I deleted a line of commentary reading "Sir Toby is fat and belches a lot, hence the name Sir Toby Belch." There is no reference in the text of the play to Toby being fat, and many famous performances of him have been portrayed by actors who weren't padded at all (notably Ralph Richardson). And while Toby is certainly a drunkard, there are no overt references in the text to him belching at all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.174.51.139 (talk) 15:18, 26 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Opinion

Merge or not, this page is just badly written. It needs an expert to rebuild from the ground up. Lots42 (talk) 21:55, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]