Talk:Sissel Kyrkjebø

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Into Paradise

This article mentions Into Paradise but states that it was "released" in 2006. Since 2006 hasn't occurred yet, should this be changed to 2005, or is the album not out yet, in which case we need to change the wording to "scheduled for release"? 23skidoo 15:47, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Pronounciation?

I think it might be helpful to include a note regarding the proper way of saying "Kyrkjebø". But I don't know how to go about adding the proper notation (and I don't know how it is properly said, anyway). 23skidoo 18:24, 27 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Do we have any Norwegians on the Spoken Wikipedia? That might be better since it contains two sounds not found in English. Valentinian ^{(talk) / (contribs)} 23:33, 11 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I know "ø" is one of the sounds, but what's the other one? Do they do something with the "j" perhaps? 23skidoo 02:57, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If I'm not completely wrong, the 'kj' is like bright German 'ch' in 'ich' (NOT as in Scottish 'loch'). -andy 80.129.87.32 22:14, 2 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

A guess coming from a swedish speaker shewr-kye-bur, really tough without phonetic alphabet!

She says her surname is pronounced Shear-shye-BÖ. stress on the last syllable (reason ford capital letters). OettingerCroat (talk) 02:20, 20 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, whoever put that pronunciation thing after Sissel's name, thanks! --OettingerCroat (talk) 06:28, 25 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Whoever put the "Norwegian pronunciation" in did it incorrectly. First of all, the Norwegian pronunciation is unnecessary for 2 reasons, one Norwegians already know how to pronounce her name. Two, having pronunciation is only useful here to have the English IPA for English speakers to know how to pronounce her name as this is the English Wikipedia site, not the Norwegian site. Also, if you look at the Swedish/Norwegian IPA that is used, the person has used the Swedish pronunciation, but the IPA marks used do not make the same sound in Norwegian. So, the person who created this "Norwegian pronunciation" has made her last name be pronounced "hear-huh-buh" instead of "Shear-shuh-buh" which is the correct pronunciation. --Stenar (talk) 06:28, 25 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It was me who added the Norwegian pronounciation. When I see a foreign name, I am interested in what the native pronounciation is like. An English name has an English pronounciation, a Norwegian name has a Norwegian etc. And the name is Kyrkjebø, not Skyrskjebe. The problem with the name is of course that there are three phonemes not found in English; /ç/, /ʏ/ and /ø/.

But /ʃʏrʃəbə/ is hardly the only why the name could be approximated to English. The name contains the the /y/ vowel, which is not found in English. And although /ʃ/ is a possible substitute for /ç/, it's not the only one. /t͡ʃ/ or /kj/ (like in cure) could be other possibilities. /ø/ could be /ə/, but it could also be /ɜ/ (like in bird).

IPA is the international phonetic alphabet, not the English or Norwegian or Swedish. I have changed the link to Wikipedia:IPA, which covers all the consonants and vowels. There are even sound samples there. And the English Wikipedia isn't only used by monolingual English speakers.

I don't understand how you mean I have used a Swedish pronounciation. For instance, I have used the Norwegian [ç], not the Swedish [ɕ]. Except this, I can't see what should be different in Norwegian and Swedish. Perhaps [œː] instead of [øː]?. The /r/ is of course pronounced in serveral different ways both in Norway and Sweeden. In Bergen it is an uvular fricative [ʁ], in other parts of the country it is an alveolar tap or a trill. --Egd81 (talk) 09:54, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"All Good Things" important note

The 2000 Norway release (which was only available via import and fairly expensive) has a completely different cover compared to the European release. Check amazon, for example. -andy 80.129.87.32 22:14, 2 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

References

We have alot of good information here, BUT we are actually using only three different sources! This situation needs to be fixed. Can we start finding references for the different events and facts mentioned? -- Fyslee / talk 04:29, 15 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

i've done a lot recently; we now have 10 different citations from nine different sources. i am constantly trying to add more, too. OettingerCroat (talk) 08:03, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

New infobox picture

very nice addition! :-) OettingerCroat (talk) 20:06, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Name etymology

Is the background for the name Sissel really appropriate here? It is a very common Norwegian/Scandinavian name, and I can't see why it should be in the listing of an artist with that name.. If you search for "Sissel" you'll get the same information on the disambiguation page, which is fine.. 84.202.99.215 (talk) 22:39, 7 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Though it may be shortened, no issue here with having name etymology appear briefly here. (One additional opinion.) Le Prof Leprof 7272 (talk) 15:45, 25 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

POV issues tagged

There are clear POV issues here—the article cites the artist's personal web pages, as well as fan pages—and so the article needs attention of a non-fan editor, to move it toward truly POV-neutral, encyclopedic content. Le Prof Leprof 7272 (talk) 14:57, 25 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Leprof 7272: – Per WP:FANSITE, a link to an official page of the article's subject is specifically allowed. I have read this article and I do not see any major POV issues. Boghog (talk) 16:17, 26 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Citation moved to talk, general citation issues

The following citation was moved to Talk. While containing the information indicated, it is unacceptable because using the link results in automated download of a large PDF (security issue). This cannot be used for source of this information; this prize reference is the last in the table appearing as of this edit date, was changed to ^{[citation needed]}, and so must have an alternative found:

   REF42  Page 6 of Årsmelding 2011

Also, please note, the citations are generally unacceptable as they stand, for they are bare URLs rather than complete citations, a prohibited type of citation because of link rot; indeed, some links are already dead, and will be added too this section for action by other editors.

Finally, many citation are non-English language, and many factual statements are without citation. Both of these practices should stop—a published, reliable English language source should be found for the Norwegian language sources, further information should be added only with citation, and editors having added unsourced information should return and indicate the sources used.(WP:VERIFY in all cases)

Le Prof Leprof 7272 (talk) 14:57, 25 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Leprof 7272: – I have restored the pdf link using the {{cite web}} template. There have been security concerns with the pdf format in the past, but these have largely been solved. In addition, the link now clearly marks the link as a pdf:

"År 2011 fond for Utøvende Kunstner" (PDF) (in Norwegian). {{cite web}}: Unknown parameter |trans_title= ignored (|trans-title= suggested) (help)

Concerning the language of the sources, English is obviously preferred, but not required. If the subject of a biography native language is not English, it may be difficult to locate English sources. In these cases, the use of non-English sources may be unavoidable and should certainly be permitted. Google translate does a remarkably good job of translating Norwegian into English. Boghog (talk) 16:33, 26 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Finally. please keep in mind {{sofixit}}. Boghog (talk) 16:33, 26 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Will begin monitoring article for unsourced additions

The article appears to be accruing information from fly-by edits, that add information without indicating a source. This is a sure way to ruin a decent quality article. I will begin (and call on other editors also) to monitor the article, and revert edits that add information without appropriate, verifiable, BLP sources. See also above, about link rot. Le Prof Leprof 7272 (talk) 14:57, 25 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Please note, the lede (lead, introduction) must have citations, if information is added that does not appear in the main body accompanied by citation. I note that the lists appearing in the lede—of languages sung, and other collaborating artists—both contain examples that do not appear in the main body, and so are without source. All factual information on BLP articles that is not common knowledge should be sourced! Le Prof Leprof 7272 (talk) 15:48, 25 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]