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  1. Remove inappropriate Infobox Military Conflict JustinTime55 (talk) 22:13, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
  2. Remove OR "US-Soviet Joint Victory" JustinTime55 (talk) 14:33, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
  3. Unsourced/uncited OR (e.g. "Had von Braun's team been allowed to orbit a satellite in 1956, the Space Race might have been over before it gained sufficient momentum to yield real benefits.") JustinTime55 (talk) 14:33, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Repair all mis-spellings of William E. Burrows's name as "Burroughs" in the citation Notes. JustinTime55 (talk) 14:33, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Action recommendations outlined in Peer review 2 The older peer review suggestions were taken care of JustinTime55 (talk) 21:10, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
  • Remove speculative section I think this has been done JustinTime55 (talk) 16:22, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
  • Add reliable sources as references and cite them--Abebenjoe (talk) 02:18, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
  • Move irrelevant content not related to space race between USSR-USA 1950's-1970's -- out to History of spaceflight JustinTime55 (talk) 20:03, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
  • Revise Unmanned planetary probes section (Venus) JustinTime55 (talk) 15:57, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
  • Expand Unmanned planetary probes section (Mars) JustinTime55 (talk) 21:01, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
  • Expand on economic impact on the Russian Space agency--Abebenjoe (talk) 02:18, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
  • Correct spelling errors which occur midway through the article--Abebenjoe (talk) 02:18, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
  • Cleanup and shorten End of the space race new article really doesn't reflect this so it is stricken from the list.--Abebenjoe (talk) 02:18, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
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When did the Space Race end?[edit]

I'm thinking we may have a serious verifiablility issue here, which I'm sorry to say I may have helped to create. The race's beginning is easy to identify and well verified, when both nations declared intent in 1955 to launch satellites. But did it really end with Stafford and Leonov's handshake in 1975 (which was mainly just a political/diplomatic stunt), or with the collapse of the Soviet Union and its replacement with the Russian Federation in 1991, after which true cooperation in space was started (Shuttle-Mir Program, International Space Station, Westerners flying on Soyuz, etc.)?

If, as we say the Space Race is a creature of the Cold War, how could it have ended before the end of the Cold War? Did the Apollo-Soyuz flight really end the Race, any more than Nixon's détente "ended" the Cold War? We were trying to (but then gave up on) building our own space station called Freedom, and they were still putting cannons on their Salyut (Almaz) military stations.

Trouble is, we don't have reliable source verification either way. Ideas? JustinTime55 (talk) 17:16, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

When did the competition/rivalry between them actually end? (I don't know, and didn't live while the Soviet union was around to tell what it was like). Since the moon landing was the ultimate aim of the space race, then maybe draw the line when the Soviets gave up on a manned moon landing. How much more competition could exist beyond a moon landing? (Besides manned missions to Mars/Venus, which neither did). MŜc2ħεИτlk 22:10, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

Engvar question[edit]

Which spelling variety are we supposed to be in here? At the moment I see examples of both. --John (talk) 11:34, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

Presumably American English. MŜc2ħεИτlk 12:18, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
It is not specified (no use-engvar template). There is no strong national tie to Britain. I would prefer American, since the US was actually involved in the Space Race, but I suppose that could be argued. We should probably make the decision based on which is currently in the majority; I would assume that's American.
@John: I have a couple of questions:
  • What British spellings have you found?
  • This article is large and complex enough that I find it hard to read the whole thing closely enough to find British spellings or usage. Is there a tool that helps detect spelling variants? The only thing I can think of is searching for the most common "our" (e.g. colour) and "ise" (e.g. civilise), and it came up negative for both of these. JustinTime55 (talk) 13:19, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
Notice the Template:American English above. I just found two occurrences of "centre" and changed them to "center", consistent with the five other "center"s on the page. I also added Template:Use American English to the article page. Have you found any more British? JustinTime55 (talk) 15:34, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
    • Thanks. --John (talk) 20:50, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

Kennedy's political motivation out of scope here[edit]

I'm moving a recent IP user's rewrite of Kennedy directs the race toward the Moon here for discussion. It's all well and good that you have citations, but I have a few major objections to it:

  • I think too much detail of Kennedy's politics (based on criticism of Eisenhower) leading up to the 1960 election is out of scope of this article, which should focus on the contrast of the two nations' space policies and their implementation. You might want to add this to John F. Kennedy#Space policy instead.
  • It's inherently unbalanced, because we don't have equivalent insight into Khruschev's motivations for making his space policy decisions (USSR not being a democracy with a free press).
  • I think it's worded a bit too POV (personal analysis): "Some may say that... This in fact would be incorrect."

Some may say that before Gagarin's flight, the sitting U.S. President, John F. Kennedy, had lukewarm support for America's manned space program. This in fact would be incorrect. Prior to his inauguration, Kennedy had been very vocal about the nation's space program. During the 1960 election, Kennedy used the topic of space as a springboard to win the election. In fact, Logsdon in his book, The Decision to Go to the Moon: Project Apollo and the National Interest reinforced the argument that Kennedy did in fact use the topic of space to his advantage in the 1960 election, to the extent that his victory could partially be explained by his aggressive stance on space matters.[1] Kennedy depicted the coming decades as "a time of uncertainties, challenges, and opportunities for the American people."[2] This had been a strategic play to evoke a spirit of fear, without leaving a resounding feeling of hopeless, as he attempted to move the nation in a new direction--a play that held roots to his world view. Kennedy blamed the Eisenhower administration for misleading the American people and has been recorded many times taking the position for a more aggressive space program. Kennedy was careful with his wording about the space problem as his words were vague and never explicitly defined the program's future. Kennedy's vagueness allowed for an ambiguous program as he himself was disinterested in the subject. He in fact used space as a tool to advance a new era of change.

JustinTime55 (talk) 19:03, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

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  1. ^ John M. Logsdon, The Decision to Go to the Moon: Project Apollo and the National Interest (Cambridge Massachusetts: MIT Press, 1970), 64-65.
  2. ^ Stephen P. Depoe, "Space and the 1960 Presidential Campaign: Kennedy, Nixon, and 'Public Time'", Western Journal of Speech Communication: WJSC 55, no.2 (Spring 1991), 215, Accessed March 5, 2016, American History & Life, EBSCO (15722297).