Talk:Star Citizen

Release date

Didn’t this game come out in 2021? Rachelskit (talk) 12:34, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

It's been 'coming out' for getting on for a decade now. As an 'alpha', or under whatever convenient alternative description enables the developers to simultaneously sell it as something you can play now while excusing the lack of promised features, and the endless bugs, as a consequence of it still being in development. Sadly not unique in the video game industry, but taken to unprecedented levels. There has been no official 'release' and I've not seen any recent external WP:RS coverage of the subject that actually expects there to be one. AndyTheGrump (talk) 15:36, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

It is not unprecedented. There have been video games before Star Citizen that where "In development" for 10+ years. RedWhiteDevil (talk) 13:02, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

There have been games in development for extended periods, certainly. None of them were crowd-funded in the manner Star Citizen has been. None have taken players money for undelivered content on the scale that Star Citizen has, over such an extended period that Star Citizen has. If a normal developer has a product under development for a decade, unreleased and unsold, it affects nobody but them and their investors. AndyTheGrump (talk) 14:39, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

At the most recent CitizenCon 2953 event (10/21/2023 through 10/22/2023) a statement was made by Chris Roberts (video game developer), Richard Tyrer, and a few others, that Squadron 42 is now content/feature complete and has entered final polishing. With that, they expect the bulk of the CIG developers to move back over to Star Citizen development. Further, CR noted that everything shown during the CitizenCon 2953 panels was planned to be added into Star Citizen over the next 12 months. Now, I've been following the game for a long time so it's entirely fair (and warranted tbh) to take that comment with a significant dose of Na. But, it's been stated publicly and the content presented there was very sharp and looked well put together. Time will tell. Alundil (talk) 19:14, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Given the amount of 'final polishing' Sq42 must have gone through since they first announced its immanent release back in 2014 (?), I'm surprised they've not rubbed it down to nothing at all... AndyTheGrump (talk) 20:25, 25 October 2023 (UTC))

Development topic

CIG is beginning to refer to their game engine as Star Engine^TM as seen in a recent video from CitizenCon 2953 which took place October 21-22 2023.

Screen grab of the branding. Video can been seen here at 23:45. Alundil (talk) 19:03, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Unless and until third-party sources suggest that this is of any significance, it is of no consequence to the article what they call it. AndyTheGrump (talk) 19:08, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Fair enough - thought it worth pointing out. Alundil (talk) 19:15, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Don't think it is new anyway. I seem to recall they used a similar name, if not the same one, during their dispute with Crytek back in 2017. AndyTheGrump (talk) 19:59, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Link(s) to build notes, change logs, patch notes

To be added under the Development section.

Patch Notes

These could definitely be fleshed out with high level points as needed. Alundil (talk) 19:55, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Not without secondary sourcing, no. Patch notes are are a normal part of game development, and have been ever since online distribution became the norm. Its how the industry works. AndyTheGrump (talk) 20:07, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 November 2024

Under arena commander "G-forces", remove the section about multi crew arena commander as that has now been implemented. 74.197.51.149 (talk) 01:26, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ®asteem Talk 01:31, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Early access

Star Citizen has indeed been confirmed as Early Access by many sources including CIG ones. Many other games treated in Wikipedia include those Early Access release dates in the info box such as: Phasmophobia (video game) , Valheim or Ark: Survival Ascended. This information needs ot be added to the info box here and also the main text. Cloverfield70 (talk) 09:34, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

Those articles are wrong. Per the template documentation as well as MOS:VG, beta and early access dates are not put in the infobox. They can be in the lead though. They must be reliably sourced. -- ferret (talk) 15:05, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

Cited from the MOS:VG: "Early releases such as open beta-testing periods, early access, or other similar mechanics should not be included in the infobox once the game is actually released. While the game is in an early release state, that early release date may be included in the infobox, but it should be indicated as an early release, and in the article prose, the game should be treated as an upcoming video game that has yet to receive a full release for all other purposes."

This clearly states Early Access release dates should be included in the infobox, for as longa s the game is actually in early Access, which is the case here. Please confirm? Cloverfield70 (talk) 15:42, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

@Cloverfield70 The template says don't do it, the MOS says "until officially released". So there is a conflict. I will raise that on the template's talk page. -- ferret (talk) 15:54, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

Sounds good, thanks. For what is worth, and imho, I do not see major conflicts in the Early Access release date being displayed at the info box as long as it is clearly labled as such, we can even include a "Full release: TBA" for further detail. Given the fact many other games, including behemoths such as Fortnite, include the early access date in the info box aswell, it seems to be a very common accepted practice in Wikipedia. It´s good info. Cloverfield70 (talk) 16:15, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

@Cloverfield70 MOS says to do that, but the infobox explicitly says to never include early access. We just need to get that fixed so there's no more confusion between the two. -- ferret (talk) 17:15, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

Hello Ferret, I saw your exchange in the info box uopdates. Looks good, thanks. I see you have already also corrected the Star Citizen info box accordingly, but you have selected the 2017 date (citation 2 at Eurogamer) instead of the earlier citation by the developer of 2016 for Early Access (citation 1 at MassivelyOP). Shouldn´t the earliest of the two be used for reference? Cloverfield70 (talk) 13:41, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

@Cloverfield70 A vague retroactively updated crowdfunding claim of "sometime in 2016" without detail, versus a clear "We will consider it early access when 3.0 releases". The first source, MassivelyOP, also references the 2017 date. -- ferret (talk) 14:50, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Well, it is vague in that it does only mention the year, yes. But it comes from developer official sources. Furthermore that statement has been used by the developer in legal proceedings to argue their case as defendants, so it is as official as it can get I reckon, no? Cloverfield70 (talk) 16:58, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Primary source claims made retroactively are suspect. In 2017, they said that with the 3.0 release they would consider it early access. Years later, they claim "early access some time in 2016". That contradicts the contemporary sourcing, so we would not use it. -- ferret (talk) 17:00, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Got it. I think it is still of interest to keep that 2016 citation, if only for reference, as it comes from the developer and confirms the developer considered the game as Early Access by then even if later formally announced in 2017.

Now, given this Early Access info I am planning to update some of the info in the main text in the next few days so to clarify the game sources of revenue, i.e. crowdfunding revenues versus Early Access sales revenues. Cloverfield70 (talk) 17:13, 20 December 2024 (UTC)