Talk:Star Fox Zero
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Platinum Involvement
[edit]Addressing an erroneous edit where PG was listed as lead developer. That's false for many reasons. We follow a standard where lead auteur is often listed first because they are considered the primary designer. Sora and Mistwalker are listed as lead developers on all their games because despite having 2-3 employees, they are considered the design charge. Now back to Star Fox Zero, Miyamoto confirmed the game was a Project Garage work, and that the programming team was tinkering away on it for 6 years [1]. Now that actual programming team Miyamoto mentioned are the SOLE game programmer listed in the credits. Nintendo programmed the game in-house, and are the lead auteurs (directors, supervisors, producers are lead). Now then poster claimed despite any circumstance, PG has more staff in the game. That's not true. [2]. Those credits break down to about 30~ Nintendo, 30~ Platinum Games, NOA (localization), Mario Club (debug), About 50 outsourced ART staff to Bee Tribe, Alvion, Avant, Digital Media Lab, Inis Corp, Black Beard Design Studio, Lakshya Digital Pvt and music/sound outsourced to T'S Music Co., Ltd. and SoundDesignWave Co., ltd. NOAWiki (talk) 01:53, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
- If they are about even in number, I'd say we still go with PG because they have the most lead roles in the game (art, music, lead planners, etc). Miyamoto being the lead producer shouldn't mean we list Nintendo first, simply for that reason. And all the other companies credited for special thanks are irrelevant here, not sure why you listed them. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 02:36, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
- They are not listed in the special thanks for no reason. Everyone under the outsource section is from those companies. That's over 50 people. They use those same outsource staff on most PG games (or different outsource). Bottomline Nintendo programmed the game. They have the lead producer, producer, assistant producer, and lead director. They were working on the game for 6 years on a programming end. You are using some personal scale to assign a lead developer based on some number count (which is wrong!). You are also doing the same for Star Fox Guard without a SOURCE. What is that about? NOAWiki (talk) 02:46, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
- I still fail to see how any of the contracted companies/special thanks (which every game has these days) are relevant here. That's what that guy who claimed that Monolith Soft co-developed every Nintendo game for the past 5 years went with too. Anyway, I'll revert it back to Nintendo being the lead developer just to avoid edit warring though, but more because it's Nintendo's IP and they did roughly 50% of the design. By the way, Kyoto Report is not considered a reliable source on Wikipedia. I know for a fact they had wrong Link Between Worlds credits the last time I used their site. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 02:52, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
- Kyoto Report is the most accurate Nintendo staff database site on the web. I know one of the translators there, and they literally cross reference credits to handle mistranslated names and even maiden name changes (when a female employee gets married and her name changes). It's definitely the best resource - especially since they always fact check credits. But the point was that under the outsource section there are about 50 names that are all contracted staff to those companies and not PG employees. Which literally makes the Nintendo employee count to Platinum Games employee count about 30 to 30. All the programmers (who i linked Miyamoto said were working on the game system for 6 years) are from Nintendo which is HUGE for this concept game. I mean the credits and interviews corroborate what I'm saying. NOAWiki (talk) 03:07, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
- Well their Link Between Worlds submission had errors when I checked it, so I've kinda avoided the site since then and just looked up the credits directly myself. Never hurts to check the source yourself. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 03:58, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
- We should work together since we are both passionate about this kind of work. I would also advise you to participate in KR. We have a lot of passionate Nintendo historians from Japan/US/UK participating in creating the most accurate database. Our personnel database is absolutely unmatched. NOAWiki (talk) 16:58, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
- Getting off-topic, but I'm sure the error(s) I saw have been corrected since then. I don't mean any ill will towards the site, but we can't really use it as a source on Wikipedia, and I've always personally tried to look up the credits myself if possible just to make sure (and have sometimes found something that differed). ~ Dissident93 (talk) 23:50, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
- The problem is the site isn't a private domain and uses a wikidot so it is seen as an amateur site by some wikipedia regulators. But there is no other site like it. If you are a Nintendo fan, it is a valuable resource. NOAWiki (talk) 06:11, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
- Getting off-topic, but I'm sure the error(s) I saw have been corrected since then. I don't mean any ill will towards the site, but we can't really use it as a source on Wikipedia, and I've always personally tried to look up the credits myself if possible just to make sure (and have sometimes found something that differed). ~ Dissident93 (talk) 23:50, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
- We should work together since we are both passionate about this kind of work. I would also advise you to participate in KR. We have a lot of passionate Nintendo historians from Japan/US/UK participating in creating the most accurate database. Our personnel database is absolutely unmatched. NOAWiki (talk) 16:58, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
- Well their Link Between Worlds submission had errors when I checked it, so I've kinda avoided the site since then and just looked up the credits directly myself. Never hurts to check the source yourself. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 03:58, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
- Kyoto Report is the most accurate Nintendo staff database site on the web. I know one of the translators there, and they literally cross reference credits to handle mistranslated names and even maiden name changes (when a female employee gets married and her name changes). It's definitely the best resource - especially since they always fact check credits. But the point was that under the outsource section there are about 50 names that are all contracted staff to those companies and not PG employees. Which literally makes the Nintendo employee count to Platinum Games employee count about 30 to 30. All the programmers (who i linked Miyamoto said were working on the game system for 6 years) are from Nintendo which is HUGE for this concept game. I mean the credits and interviews corroborate what I'm saying. NOAWiki (talk) 03:07, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
References
Stylized as StarFox 零??
[edit]The box art for the game features, very prominently I might add, a beautiful calligraphy of the kanji character 零 (rei/zero) along with the words StarFox, with スターフォックスゼロ ZERO being featured underneath that. I was wondering if maybe we should mention in the opening like of the article that the game's title seems to be stylized as StarFox 零 in Japan as opposed to the standard スターフォックスゼロ?
Thanks for reading! -Karasuhebi (talk) 22:02, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
Chronological place
[edit]Do it's a prequel of the original game Star Fox (1993), or a reboot of the franchise? 2.9.253.185 (talk) 10:12, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
Instruction manual as external link
[edit]Given that the official link to the manual provides information about the specifics of the gameplay, characters, controls, contact information, etc., is there any reason it shouldn't be included as an external link? Publishers uploading official manuals is a relatively recent thing, which is why most articles don't have this, but is there any reason not to start including this in the article where possible? WP:VG/EL states that an appropriate reason to include a link in a video game article is: "If the page contains substantial information that is relevant but not necessarily encyclopedic in nature". The game's manual would seem to be the definition of this. Ozdarka (talk) 01:19, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
- I would consider it a good refidea rather than an external link, though I don't really oppose listing them as an EL. AdrianGamer (talk) 08:56, 3 May 2016 (UTC)