Talk:Status of the Irish language

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Use of references[edit]

In the context of the 2022 census, as below: "The 2022 census was the first to include a question on level of ability in the Irish language.[3] Estimates of fully native Irish language speakers in Ireland range from 40,000 to 80,000.[4][5][6]" ... it makes no sense to use historical references from 1994, 1999 and 2000. Could someone remove or update them? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.167.178.52 (talk) 09:41, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment[edit]

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Edits[edit]

I have tightened up this article to improve the flow and place due emphasis on the divided nature of the language - urban expansion versus contraction in the Gaeltacht. I have removed some of the material on Ulster Scots, as it has only indirect relevance to the situation of Irish.

Colin Ryan (talk) 23:26, 9 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Could somebody please fix my two links on the Radio section- i.e. to add in the Youtube page link to the "Ar Muin na Muice" NearFM Irish programme and fix the BBC Blas link please? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Darren J. Prior (talk • contribs) 18:49, 29 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The images are misleading[edit]

You shouldn't use solid green for 25 to 45%. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.139.82.82 (talk) 14:33, 28 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Notice for may need to rewrite lead section[edit]

A notice has appeared on the top of this page recently (October 2016) saying that that the lead section of the page may need to be rewritten. I don't think it does. If the lead section comes across as a bit mad that is because discussion of the Irish language in general in Ireland can be a bit mad! :) Can we have some more discussion on this? I propose that the notice be deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.7.26.148 (talk) 03:14, 5 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong figures[edit]

Somebody changed the figures below in the intro to be totally misleading. I looked at the Edit section but I don't know who did it.

"The 2011 census in Northern Ireland showed that Irish is the home language of 25% of people, with 60% of people able to speak Irish to varying degrees (see Irish language in Northern Ireland). At least three in four people (~4.7 million) on the island of Ireland claim to understand Irish to some extent."

DJP 2A02:8084:8082:BF80:C98F:1EC:35A9:5EE7 (talk) 19:27, 22 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Shorten intro and shorten Irish_language#Current_status?[edit]

A lot of people probably miss this article because they just read the long and detailed text at Irish_language#Current_status. It's a duplication of effort, which means contributors are divided between contributing to the two articles, which leads to quality being less than it could be.

At a glance, a first thing that could be done to improve this article would be to shorten the summary. It's currently at ten paragraphs and filled with dates and sums of money and percentages for specific measurement, but an intro is supposed to give an overview of the article.

I'm not suggesting deleting anything, not from here and not from Irish_language#Current_status, but the info should be in one place, and organised under the right sections. (This might reveal duplication which would require deletion of words, but not deletion of information.)

I've already fixed some related articles but unfortunately I have to attend to other projects for the next while so I just thought I'd leave a note and hope this great topic gets some help. Great floors (talk) 13:20, 9 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Slashing and adding[edit]

I have trimmed away a fair amount of material, with much of the placename section being moved to Place names in Ireland. I have removed the list of those per county who claim a knowledge of Irish, since it throws no light on the actual number of speakers. I have added a short section of direct relevance, "Claimed number of Irish speakers," together with "Usefulness of Irish". There is still some work to be done. Colin Ryan (talk) 08:57, 16 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Material re-organised[edit]

I have greatly shortened the introduction, with much of the material previously there placed in a new section called "Demographic trends". Colin Ryan (talk) 11:47, 16 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Wiki Education assignment: ANTH473 INLG480 Living Languages[edit]

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Update census data[edit]

The references to the 'latest census' should be updated to reflect the fact that ROI's last census was in 2016. The graphics could also be updated. Premium-content (talk) 14:15, 22 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

More recent census data is now available. SeoR (talk) 10:02, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Usage and utility[edit]

One of the usage sections was recently revised. I have reverted, pending a discussion. In particular, there was a proposal to move a section title to “Common use” and yet the recent census showed “the number of daily Irish speakers in the state dropped by 2% compared to 2016, with 71,968 people in 2022 claiming to be daily Irish speakers. And there was a decrease from 16,199 people reported as speaking the language every day outside the education system in the Gaeltacht”. In some respects there is a mild resurgence in cities and large towns but overall, can we call 71k using Irish in some way on any day “common” with a population of >5.5 million? And film and law were mentioned, but while there have been some great film (and TV) productions in Irish, they are a tiny fraction of industry volume, and very few legal cases are heard in Irish. Expert input would help, and perhaps we can restructure the whole usage and utility section group in the article? I remember an ITÉ report (Institiud Teanglaíochta) long ago, and this was to be followed up by BnG / FnG…, for example. SeoR (talk) 10:02, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]