Talk:Sterilization of Native American women

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Peer Review[edit]

1) First, what does the article do well? Is there anything from your review that impressed you? Any turn of phrase that described the subject in a clear way?

You give really nice background information that sets the stage for the rest of the article in the Types of sterilization section.

2) What changes would you suggest the author(s) apply to the article? Why would those changes be an improvement? What's the most important thing the author(s) could do to improve the article?

In the intro, I think you could use some more commas to break up sentences a bit more. I also think that the very last sentence is incomplete. There may be a little extra info in the intro.

I would split up the Types of sterilization section and create a background section.

Definitely make use of more subsections (I think thats your biggest priority - i can see multiple ways to split up this article)

3) Did you notice anything about the article you reviewed that could be applicable to your own article? Let them know!

No, but it's an interesting article! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Izzysunbear (talkcontribs) 20:05, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

Summary clean up requested[edit]

Fascinating topic but currently hard to parse the article. I'd propose that the overall motivation and victim/public responses are critical and belong in the summary. Was this intentional genocide or a medical crime that was viewed positively at the time, similar to forced lobotomisation being considered cutting-edge medical practice during the early 1900s and only later reviled? I wanted to know whether it was considered malicious at the time vs helping, the general pattern of the sterilisations, and finally any reactions of the victims and general public at the time. I was also hoping for more clarity on the actual logistics and persuasion that took place. Any prosecutions/recourse? Can I propose a summary rewrite such as

"Reservations were (status) eg chronically underfunded and a understaffed due to (X? mention institutional racism, anti-indian sentiment?). Uncaring medical staff promoted free sterilisation to reservation inhabitants as a form of free contraception, viewing these contraception as in their best interest. Public perception at the time was Y(unaware of the practices?), and the medical staff believed they were in the right/wrong. Indians voiced opposition immediately (example) but public outcry did not occur until ..."

Also there is a section on why, but it starts off with a non sequitur by describing how sterilisation was also performed on other groups. I don't have enough understanding of the topic or else I'd edit it myself, so figure I'll comment here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.233.125.236 (talk) 06:20, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

Canada[edit]

I'm going to add in some sourcing for cases in Canada. Whether this leads to shifting the title of the article a bit to "Indigenous North American", or something else to better encompass First Nations, we can address later. I've started some cleanup to deal with the flagging. - CorbieV 19:54, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Rename / Page Move[edit]

This is about Forced Sterilization, not chosen. And I think this is the best place for the Canadian cases, as well, unless I've somehow missed a Canadian article. So, if there are no objections, my choices for this, in order of preference:

- CorbieV 21:18, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

I like the idea of expanding it for global coverage with Forced sterilization of Indigenous women. That's assuming someone wants to put in the work and that there aren't duplicate articles about other regions (although they could be merged if so). ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 21:54, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
Compulsory sterilization in Canada discusses the sterilization of indigenous people although it doesn't deal exclusively with them. I would expect Category:Sterilization to have more, but it doesn't seem to. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 22:00, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
Compulsory sterilization in Canada definitely covers a lot of this already. I wasn't aware of the page because, oddly, it rarely mentions that this was, and still is, targeted at Indigenous people. Looks to me like we should probably merge the two articles to start, either under the North America title or global. - CorbieV 20:20, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
OK, I've proposed the merge and directed discussion here. Other articles I've found in this orbit include: Forced sterilization in the United States, which redirects to Compulsory sterilization, Sterilization law in the United States, Eugenics in the United States, and redirects to Compulsory Sterilizion for India, Romani people and some other ethnic minorities. I think that we should make this article global, and then if any section gets big enough to spin off we'll still have a central Indigenous one. Even if right now we just start with Canada and the US, going with the shorter title, Forced sterilization of Indigenous women, seems to be the best choice for both the short and long term here. - CorbieV 20:39, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
Keep It appears this is the linked discussion for a merge in Compulsory sterilization in Canada, though it appears more broad. If I'm not mistaken Native American may refer to a number of groups in both Canada and the United States, thus Compulsory sterilization in Canada is a subset of Sterilization of Native American women. Currently Compulsory sterilization in Canada is much broader than Sterilization of Native American women, so I would prefer it as being the parent article, and believe it to be sufficient to be a standalone article. I would keep Sterilization of Native American women as on overview article which links to the corresponding
{{main|Compulsory sterilization in Canada|Compulsory sterilization in The United States}}
articles, rather than requiring only one article to "curate" the subject matter.Ethanpet113 (talk) 23:24, 6 December 2018 (UTC)