Talk:Super Mario RPG

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Good articleSuper Mario RPG has been listed as one of the Video games good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
Article milestones
DateProcessResult
September 4, 2007Good article nomineeNot listed
September 10, 2007Good article nomineeListed
January 25, 2009Good article reassessmentDelisted
August 7, 2011Good article nomineeListed
September 10, 2011Good article reassessmentKept
Current status: Good article

GA review[edit]

GA Reassessment[edit]

This discussion is transcluded from Talk:Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the reassessment.

This article has several issues:

  • The lead is too short, and needs to be expanded to summarise the whole article. See WP:LEAD.
  • The gameplay section is generally unsourced; only 1 out of 3 paragraphs is sourced
  • The story section is just a big mess. A series of bad merges have been done, and the result is a big mishmash of confusing plot information. Needs to be completely rewritten.
  • The reception section is too short; there has to be more reviews available for such a famous game.
  • Legacy section has a {{fact}} tag in it. Needs a cite.
  • The rerelease and rumored sequel section is tagged with a cleanup template. Needs to be addressed.
  • The references are badly formatted, and are hard to follow. I also believe there are same unreliable sources used in the article, linke YouTube.

If these issues have not been resolved in one week, I will delist the article of its GA status. The Prince (talk) 16:58, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

I also feel that the screenshots do not illustrate the game very well. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 19:30, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
That's true. Forgot to mention that. The Prince (talk) 21:21, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

One week has passed, and since these issues haven't been resolved, I'm delisting the article. The Prince (talk) 16:22, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

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Requested move 13 October 2017[edit]

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The result of the move request was: no consensus. Numerically this is a slight edge to moving, but Masem raised a very good point about different names in different regions, that was never addressed. This combined with Czar's argument about weighting the various parts of naming has a strong enough basis in policy for me to not be able to find a consensus to move. There is the option of the relist, but I don't think it appropriate here: there has already been substantial discussion in this listing period, and I don't think a relist would be likely to clarify the consensus. TonyBallioni (talk) 22:03, 20 October 2017 (UTC)


Super Mario RPGSuper Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars – Official name in tens of thousands of sources. ToThAc (talk) 18:35, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

  • Support move. I must again stress that we do not always use official names, but here the common name and official name are the same.  ONR  (talk)  18:30, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
  • Support - The original move was done in a WP:RECKLESS manner.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 10:30, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
  • Oppose. Title should be the best balance of what is recognizable (the name most people will call it), natural (reflecting what it's usually called), precise (unambiguously identified), and concise (not longer than necessary to identify), per the naming criteria (article titles policy). Leaving off the subtitle in this case reflects the best balance of the criteria. (See also the subtitle naming convention.) The current version unambiguously and concisely identifies the subject recognizably and naturally. While some sources use the full title, it is also frequently shortened to just "Super Mario RPG". (not watching, please {{ping}}) czar 07:51, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
@Czar: Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars IS its most recognizable name. Check all the sources you'd like. ToThAc (talk) 13:08, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
No, are you? Which other "Mario RPG" is confusable with "Super Mario RPG"? If there were other Super Mario RPGs of which this one was the most prominent, I could ostensibly see a need for disambiguation, but as far as I can tell, this one is clearly the primary topic for the phrase.
@ToThAc, as I paraphrased, the naming criteria is a balance between the criteria. Game journalists often use the official name on first mention, but the question is how it is most often referenced in general texts. But even if, for whatever reason, you find the subtitle to be the most recognizable part of its name, I still don't see how "Legend of the Seven Stars" would be necessary by the other criteria. czar 16:58, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
  • Support, as there are other RPGs based upon Super Mario out there. Not a unambigous title. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 13:58, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
  • Oppose "Super Mario RPG" is a completely unique title, and there are no other "Super Mario" RPGs (there are plenty though of Mario RPGs). A hat-note to that list would be appropriate to help redirect people that might search on that, but there's no name conflict here to require the move. --MASEM (t) 17:06, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
    @Masem: Since when has being a "completely unique page" ever been grounds to keep a page title? ToThAc (talk) 21:29, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
    The arguments here boil down to whether we should be sticklers for the exact title used in some regions of release, over its more common title used in other regions, but also used as the shortcut name for the game in the forementioned regions, and where there is no other naming conflict getting in the way. If there was a naming conflict in that second option, then the first option makes logical sense to avoid it. But without the naming conflict, common naming takes precedence over exact/precise naming. --MASEM (t) 22:08, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

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Newly translated interviews[edit]

See: http://shmuplations.com/supermariorpg/ TarkusABtalk 02:44, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

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