Talk:Templon

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The page is protected now, but was the first templon really "built by Steve"?

Debate over intercolumnar icons[edit]

The most hotly-debated aspect of the medieval templon is the presence of intercolumnar icons. According to Chatzidakis, the transition to medieval templon was not complete until icons and proskynetaria were placed in the intercolumnar openings as early as the 11th century ; Weitzman claims there were none until the thirteenth century. Epstein even suggests that intercolumnar icons had no place on the medieval templon until well into the 14th century. The figural decoration thus remained concentrated on the epistyle and not on the columnar area of the templon.

The doors[edit]

Just wanted to move this here for now -- not sure where it should go (certainly not in the intro).

The gate in the center is referred to as the Beautiful Gate and only members of the clergy may pass through it. In the Liturgical Theology of the Eastern Orthodox Church, it is understood that the beautiful gate symbolizes the womb of the Virgin Mary. There is a curtain that is drawn closed at certain times during the services especially during the preparation of communion during the Divine Liturgy. The doors on either side of the beautiful gate are called Angel Doors because the Archangels Michael and Gabriel are usually depicted there; alternatively, they are also called deacon’s doors because the deacons enter and leave through them.


Just out of curiosity, does anyone have any good public-domain or personal photos of a templon? I'll look, but I don't really expect to find any; I think the article would be much better with one. --The PNM 02:33, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Origins[edit]

The obvious origin of the Templon is the Temple in Jerusalem in which the Holy of Holies resided and in which only the high priest could enter. Why this is not presented here amazes me.

Phiddipus 17:24, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)

You'd know better than me -- I'd suggest adding it. The bit on the proskension as an origin of the templon is flakey anyway -- I only included it to show other opinions, but that comes from a VERY old article on the subject. But my understanding (once again, which could be very wrong) has been that the biggest reason for the name templon was that it looked a lot like a Greek pagan temple. But, I guess my point is, it's probably best to include that information. Okay. Thanks. --The PNM 07:19, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Pic on main page[edit]

Uh, am i just seeing things wrong here or has the so called 'preview' pic on the page been substituted by a prankster? It looks like somebody's behind, if you know what I mean ...)

I'm talking about "A pagan temple, in this case a recreation of the Parthenon in Nashville, Tennessee, the United States of America."

--59.93.70.4 04:55, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

I saw that too - tried to correct it, but I couldn't figure out what the vandal did. He replaced the temple image (which was at the start of the "Early Templa" section) with a close-up of someone defecating on the ground. It looks like the actual link is correct, and the main image it links to is also correct, but the page is displaying an older small version. At any rate, someone removed the offending image - I'll leave it for a more experienced user to correct the image. Trouble image is located here. The Digital Gabeg 05:04, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

When this is unprotected, the oddity that templon is a Latin loan word should be added. (The choice not to use naos cuts both ways in the origin debate, IMO; but it should be included.) Why the Nashville Parthenon anyway? why not the original, or the temple at Paestum? (there are models of both as reconstructed, if that's the reason.) Septentrionalis 15:05, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

The greek word Τέμπλον is a loan word from the latin Templum (aka Temple, sanctuary, shrine etc). In modern greek it is Τέμπλο. I can't verify whether the word Templon was ever used as the word Templum, but in orthodox churches I believe its meaning was always identical to Iconostasis (Εικονοστάσι). MATIA 16:33, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

FA concerns[edit]

This article could use some referencing improvements. There are places that would be helped by having additions of cites, to satisfy verifiability for the reader. If not objected to by significant contributors to the article, I would be willing to identify some of these deficient locations in the article with {{fact}} tags. However, it might be best to address in the form of WP:FAR, and give the article a more thorough overall review. -- Cirt (talk) 21:11, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

List of Churches with existing Templon[edit]

I created a new section that lists some churches which are known to have retained their templon. Some have icons filling their openings, and are effectively iconostasis, but the original templon is obvious. Others have templon that are more modern reconstructions of either the original templon, or are designed in the style that would have been found there.

Rather than organize the section by location, I organized it by approximate century in which the church was built. I tried to provide links to the articles for each church whenever it was available. Some don't have Wikipedia articles, but I listed them anyway. --OrthoArchitectDU (talk) 00:42, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

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