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On 20 October 2021, it was proposed that this article be moved to Insurgency, militancy and terrorism in Jammu and Kashmir. The result of the discussion was not moved.

On 29 August 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved to Insurgency in Indian-administered Kashmir. The result of the discussion was not moved.

Must add new players in Kashmir insurgency like TRF

Must add new players in Kashmir insurgency like TRF Joseph786P (talk) 22:55, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The 'Human Rights abuses section has been blatantly distorted to redundantly mention militant incidents. A single line mentions abuses by the army, followed by an awkward and poorly worded justification ("though many court cases have been done on this").

Typically 'human rights violations' are charged against the authorities, not the rebellion- this is a misuse of terminology. This section ought to be rewritten entirely. At the very least, the army abuses line should be edited and sources of documented rights abuses be referenced. 2A02:1210:5402:8000:D8B4:EFF0:D8C8:2F12 (talk) 17:53, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 15:32, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Change "The insurgency in Jammu and Kashmir, also known as the Kashmir insurgency"

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"The insurgency in Jammu and Kashmir, also known as the Kashmir Intifada^[1]^[2]^[3]^[4]^[5]^[6]^[7]^[8]^[9]^[10] or the Kashmir insurgency"

The term is widely used by neutral, Indian, Kashmiri and Pakistani sources. ^[11]^[12]^[13]^[14]^[15]^[16]^[17]^[18]^[19]^[20] Christine-dark (talk) 07:22, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done for now. Please obtain [[WP:CONSENSUS}] for requesting changes to the ]]MOS:LEAD]]. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 13:53, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Kautilya3. In the lead, it is mentioned that "Democratic development was limited in Kashmir until the late 1970s, and by 1988, many of the democratic reforms provided by the Indian government had been reversed, and non-violent channels for expressing discontent were limited, which caused a dramatic increase in support for insurgents advocating violent secession from India." Should we not mention that the root cause was Article 370? Kashmiris even today are supporting it with open arms and want 370 back, for example, Engineer Rashid won. We can find many reliable as well as academic sources attributing Article 370 to all these issues. So either Kashmiris do not know that most of their past woes regarding reforms etc. were mainly because of 370 or this reason given for insurgency is just not true.

One more line is problematic: "Although the failure of Indian governance and democracy lay at the root of the initial disaffection." This statement is false. Which Muslim-majority area has ever fought with anyone over the base reason of "democracy is bad"? It was always about religion. Religion was the prime factor then, and it is the prime factor now. Other factors can contribute and should be termed as secondary causes. The primary cause should not be whitewashed. You will also find many sources supporting this.

Do take a look. Its a contested topic and we are talking about lede. So, I am not touching it. Jaybjayb (talk) 02:38, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Rahman, Mushtaqur (1996-12-31). Divided Kashmir: Old Problems, New Opportunities for India, Pakistan, and the Kashmiri People. Lynne Rienner Publishers. p. 147. doi:10.1515/9781685857967. ISBN 978-1-68585-796-7. Intifada in Kashmir is the indigenous uprising among Kashmiri Muslims to achieve their right of self-determination by force.
^ Kak, Sanjay (2011-01-01). Until My Freedom Has Come: The New Intifada in Kashmir. Penguin Books (published 2011). ISBN 978-0-14-341647-0.
^ "Kashmir intifada? New view of India, Pakistan territory dispute". Christian Science Monitor. ISSN 0882-7729. Retrieved 2024-04-28.
^ "The Wire: The Wire News India, Latest News,News from India, Politics, External Affairs, Science, Economics, Gender and Culture". thewire.in. Retrieved 2024-04-28.
^ Watali, A. M. (2016). Kashmir intifada: a memoir (First edition ed.). Srinagar, Kashmir, India: Gulshan Books Kashmir. ISBN 978-81-8339-406-2. {{cite book}}: |edition= has extra text (help)
^ Khan, Hafeez R. (1990). "The Kashmir Intifada". Pakistan Horizon. 43 (2): 87–104. ISSN 0030-980X.
^ Zia, Ather. "Erasing Kashmir's autonomous status". Al Jazeera. Retrieved 2024-04-28.
^ "Calming the boiling Kashmir". orfonline.org. Retrieved 2024-04-28.
^ "100 days of Kashmiri intifada". The Express Tribune. 2016-10-17. Retrieved 2024-04-28.
^ "Understanding the Palestinian roots of intifada, and its context in Kashmir". The Indian Express. 2016-09-26. Retrieved 2024-04-28.
^ Rahman, Mushtaqur (1996-12-31). Divided Kashmir: Old Problems, New Opportunities for India, Pakistan, and the Kashmiri People. Lynne Rienner Publishers. p. 147. doi:10.1515/9781685857967. ISBN 978-1-68585-796-7. Intifada in Kashmir is the indigenous uprising among Kashmiri Muslims to achieve their right of self-determination by force.
^ Kak, Sanjay (2011-01-01). Until My Freedom Has Come: The New Intifada in Kashmir. Penguin Books (published 2011). ISBN 978-0-14-341647-0.
^ "Kashmir intifada? New view of India, Pakistan territory dispute". Christian Science Monitor. ISSN 0882-7729. Retrieved 2024-04-28.
^ "The Wire: The Wire News India, Latest News,News from India, Politics, External Affairs, Science, Economics, Gender and Culture". thewire.in. Retrieved 2024-04-28.
^ Watali, A. M. (2016). Kashmir intifada: a memoir (First edition ed.). Srinagar, Kashmir, India: Gulshan Books Kashmir. ISBN 978-81-8339-406-2. {{cite book}}: |edition= has extra text (help)
^ Khan, Hafeez R. (1990). "The Kashmir Intifada". Pakistan Horizon. 43 (2): 87–104. ISSN 0030-980X.
^ Zia, Ather. "Erasing Kashmir's autonomous status". Al Jazeera. Retrieved 2024-04-28.
^ "Calming the boiling Kashmir". orfonline.org. Retrieved 2024-04-28.
^ "100 days of Kashmiri intifada". The Express Tribune. 2016-10-17. Retrieved 2024-04-28.
^ "Understanding the Palestinian roots of intifada, and its context in Kashmir". The Indian Express. 2016-09-26. Retrieved 2024-04-28.

[1] Rahman, Mushtaqur (1996-12-31). Divided Kashmir: Old Problems, New Opportunities for India, Pakistan, and the Kashmiri People. Lynne Rienner Publishers. p. 147. doi:10.1515/9781685857967. ISBN 978-1-68585-796-7. Intifada in Kashmir is the indigenous uprising among Kashmiri Muslims to achieve their right of self-determination by force.

[2] Kak, Sanjay (2011-01-01). Until My Freedom Has Come: The New Intifada in Kashmir. Penguin Books (published 2011). ISBN 978-0-14-341647-0.

[3] "Kashmir intifada? New view of India, Pakistan territory dispute". Christian Science Monitor. ISSN 0882-7729. Retrieved 2024-04-28.

[4] "The Wire: The Wire News India, Latest News,News from India, Politics, External Affairs, Science, Economics, Gender and Culture". thewire.in. Retrieved 2024-04-28.

[5] Watali, A. M. (2016). Kashmir intifada: a memoir (First edition ed.). Srinagar, Kashmir, India: Gulshan Books Kashmir. ISBN 978-81-8339-406-2. {{cite book}}: |edition= has extra text (help)

[6] Khan, Hafeez R. (1990). "The Kashmir Intifada". Pakistan Horizon. 43 (2): 87–104. ISSN 0030-980X.

[7] Zia, Ather. "Erasing Kashmir's autonomous status". Al Jazeera. Retrieved 2024-04-28.

[8] "Calming the boiling Kashmir". orfonline.org. Retrieved 2024-04-28.

[9] "100 days of Kashmiri intifada". The Express Tribune. 2016-10-17. Retrieved 2024-04-28.

[10] "Understanding the Palestinian roots of intifada, and its context in Kashmir". The Indian Express. 2016-09-26. Retrieved 2024-04-28.

[11] Rahman, Mushtaqur (1996-12-31). Divided Kashmir: Old Problems, New Opportunities for India, Pakistan, and the Kashmiri People. Lynne Rienner Publishers. p. 147. doi:10.1515/9781685857967. ISBN 978-1-68585-796-7. Intifada in Kashmir is the indigenous uprising among Kashmiri Muslims to achieve their right of self-determination by force.

[12] Kak, Sanjay (2011-01-01). Until My Freedom Has Come: The New Intifada in Kashmir. Penguin Books (published 2011). ISBN 978-0-14-341647-0.

[13] "Kashmir intifada? New view of India, Pakistan territory dispute". Christian Science Monitor. ISSN 0882-7729. Retrieved 2024-04-28.

[14] "The Wire: The Wire News India, Latest News,News from India, Politics, External Affairs, Science, Economics, Gender and Culture". thewire.in. Retrieved 2024-04-28.

[15] Watali, A. M. (2016). Kashmir intifada: a memoir (First edition ed.). Srinagar, Kashmir, India: Gulshan Books Kashmir. ISBN 978-81-8339-406-2. {{cite book}}: |edition= has extra text (help)

[16] Khan, Hafeez R. (1990). "The Kashmir Intifada". Pakistan Horizon. 43 (2): 87–104. ISSN 0030-980X.

[17] Zia, Ather. "Erasing Kashmir's autonomous status". Al Jazeera. Retrieved 2024-04-28.

[18] "Calming the boiling Kashmir". orfonline.org. Retrieved 2024-04-28.

[19] "100 days of Kashmiri intifada". The Express Tribune. 2016-10-17. Retrieved 2024-04-28.

[20] "Understanding the Palestinian roots of intifada, and its context in Kashmir". The Indian Express. 2016-09-26. Retrieved 2024-04-28.

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