Talk:Tezcatlipoca

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Chama[edit]

Why does Chama redirect here without any mention of the word "Chama" in the article? If anything it should be made into a disambiguation page listing Chama, NM, Kama, and Tezcatlipoca, if indeed the god is alternately known by that name...--Rockero 00:46, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

after a little gooogling i found that, "Chama Sierra" is the name of a character in Green Arrow ( Vol. 2 #102) (form the DC universe), and he has characteristics of the fictionalized TEzcatlipoca... http://www.dcuguide.com/profile.php?name=tezcatlipoca2 ... is there any fan who would like to write about it?... Nanahuatzin 06:55, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Then it definitely should not redirect here (minor character in one issue of a comic book?-hardly notable). I'm turning Chama into a page to disambiguate Kama and Chama NM but I'm leaving the comics character out. If anyone thinks it's important, they can add it onto the disambig page.--Rockero 17:39, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
DONE--Rockero 17:45, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

merge proposal[edit]

Sources indicate that Tloquenahuaque is but an alternate name for this deity; if so, should be merged and redirected to here. No indication as yet found whether the particular characteristics of Tloquenahuaque would warrant it being retained as a separate article/stub. Comments invited.--cjllw | TALK 06:42, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Tloquenahuaque (the lord of near and far) is not a deity, but a title given to the gods responsible of the creation. While Leon Portilla says it´s the main title of Omteteotl Omecihuatl, also Tlaloc, Tezcatlipoca, Ehecatl and Quetzalcoatl were also refered as Tloque nahuaque and also as Iplanemohuani (by whom we live). Nanahuatzin 05:38, 15 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

OK Nanahuatzin, thanks for that clarification. If so, what would you suggest is done with the Tloquenahuaque article (which reads like it is identifying a particular deity) - would there be sufficient material to justify its existence as a separate article, or would it perhaps be better to merge into somewhere like Aztec mythology and cover what you mention there?--cjllw | TALK 08:20, 15 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Pulling pop culture section[edit]

If any of these "references" are relevant they should be put in the text. Most of them are not however, neither informative, noteworthy or interesting. I have cut the section from the article per Wikipedia:Avoid trivia sections in articles and suggest than any relevant material be worked into the actual text. The text below is what i have cut:

Pop culture[edit]

  • Tezcatlipoca is also present in the independent comic El Muerto.
  • Tezcatlipoca was believed to be a former Mayan ruler of alien origin who came to Earth years ago, according to the Spriggan storyline. He defeated a reincarnation of Quetzalcoatl, who took the form of a stone being.
  • One of the plots in the video game Beyond Atlantis revolves around the player's quest to foil Tezcatlipoca's plan rule the Maya by silencing Quetzalcoatl. The player must restore Quetzalcoatl's power to generate Chulel (life-force) before the Maya adopt Tezcatlipoca's far bloodier form of worship.
  • Mercedes Lackey's "Diana Tregarde" mystery novel Burning Water, Tezcatlipoca is the major antagonist, acting through intermediaries to re-enact bloody Aztec sacrifices for the restoration of his godhood. It is Diana's duty to ensure he does not succeed.

3 stones[edit]

Are the 3 stones in Broken Sword part of the real legend? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Crazyboy899 (talk • contribs) 20:47, 9 January 2007 (UTC).[reply]

No, they are not part of authentic mythological accounts. I'm not sure even that the "Broken Sword" reference should be there- it's certainly not "the most notable" as is presently claimed. I'll remove it, unless anyone objects.--cjllw | TALK 00:10, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Pronunciation[edit]

Andrews' grammar has this as Tezcatlihpoca, with a saltillo. I doubt this is kind of term you're likely to find in Carochi with diacritics, so it's hard to be certain. --Ptcamn 06:07, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Miskwito deleted the pronunciation guide altogether but I think it is fair to assume that a so exoticlooking name as Tezcatlipoca needs some kidn of a pronunciation guide. This means that either we use an IPA approximation or we write a touristguide style [tes-cattle-ee-POH-ka]. Whether the < i > has a saltillo (where andrews gets this form I have no idea, but I am aware he writes it like that, he also inserts other weird h'es) or length (which is more likely if the i is interpreted as possessive morpheme) is at most worthy of a note explaining that the exact quality of this vowel isn't entirely known. If we were to delete ipa pronunciations for all words where pronunciation is partly reconstructed then there wouldn't be prununciation guides for most of the Aztec pantheon and the readers would be on their own when trying to guess the pronunciation of a word like <chalchihuitlicue>. ·Maunus· tlahtōlli 13:45, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Broken sword the smoking mirror[edit]

It has been mentioned earlier for a popular culture section for Tezcatlipoca. But there was no reply to the idea. But scince the broken sword series is a relitly well known game and Tezcatlipoca plays a vital role in 1 of the games aka the smoking mirror, that it either get a mention or become a part of a popular culture section, possibly including a depiction of it in that game. Or even putting a link on see also to the smoking mirror's artical. Typhlosion-fan (talk) 11:18, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It is not relevant for this article. You could make an article called TEzcatlipoca (Broken Sword) if you feel there is anough material to warrant it.·Maunus·ƛ· 11:50, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Pronouns[edit]

Hi. Wondering what Tezcatlipoca's pronouns are? Someone changed them from (He/Him) to They/Them three days ago. I reverted but am curious which is correct?

I am fairly certain Tezcatlipoca is wholly masculine in Aztec mythology (so he/him), unlike other deities such as Tlaltecuhtli. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Largo1893 (talk • contribs) 17:57, 27 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Consistency with short footnotes.[edit]

I am not sure that this style correctly describes what contributors want this article to adhere to. Formerly, it used the style of placing all full citations in a single section. However recent contributors have been placing Full citations in a separate section, making a split between "in-text citations" and those which are declared in the References section. The motivation for using short footnotes was to avoid WP:DUPCITES.

Actually, it is not necessary to add an additional section and the article could be restored to the former style of having all references in the same section, with SFNs used to avoid Duplicate cites for example in cases where different pages to the same source. The talk page banner notice for the all inline style is indicated with the {{Note short footnote style 3 in use}} template. Style 2 is used for articles where all citations are placed in a separate section in sorted order regardless whether the source is used for multiple pages or not. This article could be converted to this style as well.

There are disadvantages and advantages to either style. I am willing to put the article into conformance with whichever style is agreed to here. J JMesserly (talk) 22:47, 18 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wiki Education assignment: ARHS 3720 Aztec Art in Mexico[edit]

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