Talk:The Kinks

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Discography[edit]

While we generally split live albums from studio releases, there is no rule governing this, and articles generally go by what is appropriate, such as The_Allman_Brothers_Band#Discography, James_Brown#Discography, Grateful_Dead#Discography, Cream_(band)#Discography, Jimi_Hendrix#Discography. By allowing such flexibility and responsiveness to individual situations we can create discographies that are more helpful to general readers, and prevent instruction creep that will sniffle further article development. The standard discographies of the Kinks list live albums along with the studio albums: AllMusic, Rolling Stone, KindaKinks, Discogs. The Kinks live performances are an important element in their story - they were banned from performing live in America during their peak creative period in the late Sixties. Everybody's in Show-Biz is a live and studio album. To the Bone is also a studio and live album. As such separating out the official releases into live and studio is not helpful in this case, and is non-standard for this band. I suggest all official release albums are listed as shown in discography sources, in chronological order regardless of if the music was recorded in the studio or in concert hall. SilkTork ✔Tea time 19:43, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

Unless there are objections I will set the discography section to include all regular album releases in chronological order as reflected in significant sources. SilkTork ✔Tea time 17:37, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
Well, we only put studio albums there usually because they are what are considered "major releases". Few exceptions have been made, for say Drake who had a mixtape disputed as an album. I'd say only studio unless there is a dispute on what it is, if it's both a live and studio album, like comedians do, for example Bo Burnham, or if it is considered a major release. Like something that had great success and is what they could be known for. Cause I do not see live albums in Drake Bell's or Taylor Swift's discography sections. But it may be notable here. I'll wait for other opinions. -- Joseph Prasad (talk) 04:41, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
I understand what you are saying about major releases, and agree. In this case we have the major releases (which include both studio and live albums) but they are separated into two columns: studio and live, breaking the chronological order of the major releases. My point is that all the significant reliable sources put the major releases together in chronological order (see the links above, and please do your own research, either online or in the library), but here on Wikipedia we have made a decision to separate the live albums which makes them appear to the general reader as perhaps less important than the studio albums. This may actually be more of a discussion to be held on the music and album projects rather than just here, as there are other oddities, such as Deep_Purple#Discography which leaves out Concerto for Group and Orchestra presumably because it's a live album, and disregarding that it consists of original compositions, and that the album is very well known (some would say "notorious"). However, it's worth discussing this here to see what people feel, though I may start a new discussion on the wikiproject talkpages. SilkTork ✔Tea time 11:27, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
There's also an issue with Percy, in The Kinks article it is listed under Studio albums, but in the Percy article, it is not given studio album number, i.e. Lola Versus Powerman and the Moneygoround, Part One is the eighth studio album, and Muswell Hillbillies is the ninth studio album, so where does Percy sit. Also the Word of Mouth article states that it is the twentieth studio album, but the next album, Think Visual article states that it is the twenty-second studio album. I suspect that there isn't a missing twenty-first studio album, but that someone has counted, e.g. Percy into the sequence. Best regards DynamoDegsy (talk) 16:42, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

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