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Kuala Lumpur is not a Muslim State.

Kuala Lumpur is the capital of Malaysia. As far as I know, Malaysia is NOT a Muslim state. The Muslim bodies in Malaysia may have been responsible for getting PCD into trouble but this does not reflect unanimous sentiments of the nation. malsysia consists of other dominant religion namely, Christians, Buddhists and Hindus refelcting other major races like the Malaysian-Chinese, Malaysian-Indians among other minor races. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aswald (talk • contribs) 03:53, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

20 million?

The PCD have NOT sold 20 million records ww... there is no way - they have sold a little over 5 million worldwide - NOT 20 MILLiON!

The FIRST album sold 9 million and SECOND sold 5 million. 20 million? NO. They actually sold 35 million RECORDS worldwide. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.210.243.98 (talk) 02:53, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

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Joie Shettler needs to be added under dance troupe/1995-97

173.55.108.128 (talk) 07:51, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — Bility (talk) 22:29, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Chrystina Sayers' departure.

Since Chrystina Sayers is no longer part of the new line-up do you guys think that she shouldn't be listed on the Past members line up here? As in the one at the top of this article? Since she left before the new line-up could even debut by releasing their first single as the new PCD making her a brief member? Another good example was Kaya Jones. She left even before the group could compete PCD's first album but she was with the group on "Sway". So I think that Chrystina should be removed from the Past members section up this article.Bleubeatle (talk) 04:32, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the proposal was move. Cúchullain ^t/c 14:23, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

Pussycat Dolls → The Pussycat Dolls – Named "The Pussycat Dolls" in official site title, biography page, text in from cover of album PCD, iTunes and Allmusic -- although some other parts of official website just written "Pussycat Dolls", very inconsistent here. [Relisted--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 04:38, 21 June 2012 (UTC)] Silvergoat (talk∙contrib) 20:02, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Weak oppose When there's inconsistency, I favor omitting the article. Note that while the HTML title of the official site has "The," their prominent logo doesn't. Plural band names, like university names, are awkward to refer to in speech without an article, and people who aren't particularly conscious about these sorts of things end up capitalizing or not rather indiscriminately. Why do I bring up university names? Look at cases like University of Chicago, University of Montana, or University of Paris. While you're likely to find some references to The university in such contexts, the article names omit it. And I thought Ohio State University and George Washington University would be exceptions, since they're both sticklers on insisting that "The" is part of their names, those article names suggest a clear preference. --BDD (talk) 15:43, 21 June 2012 (UTC) yo yo yo
Support Sounds good to me. Unreal7 (talk) 14:30, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
Support per Unreal. Steam5 (talk) 03:02, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

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Not sure why this was moved. The only comment was "Sounds good to me." 2x. I don't see an agreement on whether or not "The" should be included in the title. Statυs (talk) 12:02, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

Are you questioning whether the two editors who indicated "support" supported the proposal? Seems clear that they did. There's no set participation needed for move discussions, and the nominator provided clear evidence that "the" is usually used, as with similar articles on performers such as The Beatles and The Temptations.Cúchullain ^t/c 12:52, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

One has a vague comment stating "sounds good to me", while the other says "per [the user who left the vague comment]". BDD was pretty clear on the fact that both with "The" and without "The" have been used. Their first album used "The", while on their second, they dropped it. There is no clear agreement on which to use, so this move should have never been put in place. Statυs (talk) 13:02, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

IMO 3-4 votes is not enough to move a page. its hardly a riveting consensus. — Lil_℧niquℇ №1 ^[talk] 17:08, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

It doesn't really matter on the amount of "votes", yet the quality of said. BDD stated a very reasonable comment, that both names have been used, and the other two just thought it "sounds good". Statυs (talk) 18:17, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

Cúchullain gave enough good evidence for to support the move, so I didn't need to add anything. BDD even said "weak oppose", so even he/she was basically leaning towards not opposing either. Unreal7 (talk) 00:29, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Huh? Cuchullain wasn't the one who requested this move. A weak oppose is leaning towards oppose, a weak keep would be leaning towards keep. BDD never stated neutral. Statυs (talk) 05:15, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Whoops sorry I meant Silvergoat. Unreal7 (talk) 00:31, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

I am uncertain about the move, too. I always thought it was just Pussycat Dolls, but I don't know what is "official". "The" is going to be used as a qualifier in group names whether it is actually part of the name or not. The argument in favor of the move isn't entirely convincing. --Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 23:41, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

FWIW, RIAA certifications website displays it as just "Pussycat Dolls" while they use "The Beatles" and "The Temptations". --Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 00:56, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Orphaned references in The Pussycat Dolls

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Reference named "Trust":

From Nicole Scherzinger: Trust, Gary (June 3, 2009). "Chart Beat Thursday: Lee & Crystal Rock On". Billboard. Prometheus Global Media. Retrieved March 19, 2014.
From Rihanna: Trust, Gary (November 21, 2012). "Rihanna's 'Diamonds' Shines Atop Hot 100". Billboard. Nielsen Business Media, Inc. Retrieved November 21, 2012.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 05:46, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

2011-2013

Recently, this section that I added (please read "New Dolls become G.R.L." below) was removed. I think this should be reinstated as it is relevant to the history of the Pussycat Dolls; from March 2011 until February 2013 the public were told about, and then shown the "new" line-up of the Dolls recording group. I'm opening the discussion here for comments whether it should be renistated. I also altered the paragraph title from "Aftermath" to "After the split". I think that the word Aftermath has a negative POV in this context, and should be changed.

New Dolls become G.R.L.

In March 2011 Robin Antin commenced auditions for a new recording group of the Pussycat Dolls. Various line-ups appeared in promotional photos, videos or advertising from February 2012 onwards, and included members from the Paradiso Girls and Girlicious (both were groups that Antin had helped form). In February 2013 it was announced that the group would now be known as G.R.L.. They issued thier first single in June 2013. (See article on G.R.L. for further details and references).

Design (talk) 08:38, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

I agree that "Aftermath" sound a little negative; "After the split" sounds okay, as does "Post-split" or something along those lines.

As for the section you added, at the very least you need to find some sources to back it up. Otherwise, it's original research and other editors will remove it. Acalamari 20:35, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Actually, I've just noticed that G.R.L. are already mentioned in the article at The Pussycat Dolls#Spin-offs. Maybe add to that? Acalamari 20:45, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

A short G.R.L. description was added by me when I created the legacy section and placed it into "spin-offs" where the Pussycat Dolls have branched into other groups. The new group (G.R.L.) does not need more than a simple sentence or two mentioning who they are here in a Pussycat Dolls article. There's already a full article dedicated to G.R.L.. If you would like to add, go there. --BittersweetTragedy (talk) 21:01, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

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Please change (section:aftermath)

In May, Scherzinger was hired as a judge on the first season of the American version of The X Factor,[88] alongside Simon Cowell, Paula Abdul and L.A. Reid.

to

In May 2011, Scherzinger was hired as a judge on the first season of the American version of The X Factor,[88] alongside Simon Cowell, Paula Abdul and L.A. Reid.

because

Adding the year will improve continuity in the paragraph, as the year 2011 is mentioned 4 complete sentences before this sentence, but the next time a year mentioned in the paragraph, it is 2014. 70.72.144.96 (talk) 07:42, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

Done - I've also added a paragraph break, as the previous part is about her solo records, and the subsequent part about her TV work - Arjayay (talk) 17:22, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

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Including former members Kaya Jones and Asia Nitollano 213.73.161.245 (talk) 14:57, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Bazj (talk) 16:24, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

Members in Sway video 2004?

The 2004 video of "Sway" has nine Pussycat Dolls. Would someone please name them all? Is Robin Antin on screen? ----Design (talk) 04:39, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

It Was All Nicole?

The article strongly suggests that the other members contributed very little to PCD album. More information here would be good, as Nicole is not the only one who can sing. Oh and Rhinanna opening for them, uh how hot, wet dream lol. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.231.177.2 (talk) 12:07, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Kaya Jones article clean up

Is there an experienced editor willing to clean up the article on Kaya Jones? I tried some years ago but gave up after edit wars with Kaya and her manager. Now her record label is continuing to add POV. The article has multiple POV issues. Thanks.----Design (talk) 06:21, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Kaya Jones was never a member of The Pussycat Dolls and should be completely removed from this page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jaketvmgmt (talk • contribs) 22:17, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

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KAYA JONES was never a member of The Pussycat Dolls and should be completely removed from this page. thank you Jaketvmgmt (talk) 23:53, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

Hi there Jake Management. Please read the the determination posted above on 12 May. Perhaps you and your clients would benefit from you learning about Wikipedia's policies and processes, such as using "reliable sources". ----Design (talk) 03:17, 13 May 2016 (UTC)

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Please remove Kaya Jones and reference 13 from the 2003 - 07 section. Kaya Jones was never a member of The Pussycat Dolls. I am the new management company for The Pussycat Dolls and Robin Antin. And this is by request from Robin Antin. Please remove Kaya Jones and reference 69 from the Overemphasis of Scherzinger section. Kaya Jones was never a member of The Pussycat Dolls. I am the new management company for The Pussycat Dolls and Robin Antin. And this is by request from Robin Antin. Jaketvmgmt (talk) 22:35, 9 May 2016 (UTC) Jaketvmgmt (talk) 22:35, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

I would say that request is not founded in fact. Before the "Don't Cha" video there were changes in membership. Here are some links to Getty Images photos of Kaya Jones and Robin Antin together with the Dolls in 2004, in California and Singapore, at publicity events. http://www.gettyimages.com.au/detail/news-photo/pussycat-dolls-robin-antin-nicole-kea-and-kaya-jones-pose-news-photo/2944448 : : http://www.gettyimages.com.au/detail/news-photo/the-pussycat-dolls-arrive-at-the-mtv-asia-awards-2004-at-news-photo/2981824 And here is a link to a video of the PCD singing live at the 2004 MTV Asia awards in Singapore, February 14th 2004, showing Jones singing at the 1:40 mark. Thornton is on lead vocals, Scherzinger and Bachar also have mics, the other dancers do not. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nFpvnpVtu2U There are also written sources (reliable?) which say Kaya sang on "Sway" and appears in the "Sway" video. Here is a link to the cover image of the Promo single of "Sway" which shows 8 Dolls (There is another cover which shows 6). http://991.com/Buy/ProductInformation.aspx?StockNumber=372113 ----Design (talk) 09:34, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

Why raise this issue now? Kaya has made numerous statements to the media for over a decade that she was in PCD prior to "Don't Cha". Perhaps Robin Antin would like to issue a media release stating her claim that Kaya was never a member? Then Wikipedia can list this as a "controversy". ---Design (talk) 12:38, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

Here's a link to ABC7news from 2011: http://abc7news.com/archive/8454880/ ----Design (talk) 01:13, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

Jan 2016: Kaya Jones makes public request to Antin to stop saying she was not in Pussycat Dolls. link https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Zdh9GFE087k here ----Design (talk) 01:19, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

At this site there is an official promo photo (2004?) of 9 Dolls. Third from the left is Antin, at furthest right is Jones. There are other pictures from this shoot on the internet: http://www.fansshare.com/gallery/photos/11227355/papel-de-parede-pussycat-dolls/?displaying ----Design (talk) 01:30, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. -- The Voidwalker ^Discuss 21:37, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

There were many girls that performed with the Pussycat Dolls, with much bigger profiles that Kaya Jones, and they never claim to be a member of The Pussycat Dolls. Kaya Jones is making this false claim to get gigs and interviews she would never get without the false claim.

Please define what you mean by "member". As I understand it, PCD was formed by Antin in the 1990s, everybody else was a paid contractor or employee of her company, and later of Interscope the label. PCD performed live for nearly 10 years before they made a CD. Jones audtioned at the same time as Thornton and Scherzinger (then known as Nicole Kea), and was employed at the time of the transition of PCD from live burlesque troupe to Pop recording group. ----Design (talk) 03:32, 13 May 2016 (UTC)

Countries

"Scotland and the United Kingdom" is incorrect. Scotland is part of the United Kingdom despite the very loud rantings of certain Scots; so it should state simply "the United Kingdom". This is not a page for political statements - it's about the Pussycat Dolls, not about the wishes of the Scottish National Party. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 145.130.55.168 (talk) 14:27, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

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staci flood?

i was watching the dontcha music video again and i noticed someone i couldnt recognize so i did some digging and found out she is staci b. flood. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0282575/?ref_=tt_cl_t8 here is her imbd. why isnt she mentioned anywhere on this page, yet on her own personal wiki she is listed as a member of the group? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.51.98.23 (talk) 16:31, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Prostitution ring

Another thing to add to the controversy section https://people.com/music/pussycat-dolls-member-claims-they-were-part-prostitution-ring/ Balupton (talk) 14:01, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Carmit Bachar

I deleted all references to the Sun interview Carmit Bachar never actually did: she has said on Twitter that it was fake. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saintvlas22 (talk • contribs) 10:01, 28 March 2019 (UTC)