Talk:The Scouring of the Shire

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Cut for repairs:

It is among the most prominent scenes not featured in the theatrical release of the Lord of the Rings movie trilogy.

I seem to recall dimly that the death scene of Saruman was in the movie - but I could be wrong. I remember Frodo discovering that inside Saruman's clothing was nothing, after Wormtongue killed him.

Gimme a few minutes to google this. -- Uncle Ed (talk) 15:37, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)

DVD vs. theatre[edit]

The DVD shows the deaths of Saruman and Wormtongue, thus tying up the storyline that was left open in the first version. [1]

I guess we were both right. It's not in the theatrical release, but only in the DVD. -- Uncle Ed (talk) 15:56, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)

Book vs. Movie[edit]

Some fans feel that not including the Scouring of the Shire in the movie weakened it to an extent, as in their opinion this ignores the effect of war on people back home. I don't seem to able to give this topic justice, but I think it should be touched upon. --RLent 23:17, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

It could be that film-makers considered this section of the book to be one that would have less impact with an international audience. The pre-industrial ruralist dream is a potent one that underpins a lot of British culture, from the 19th century Arts & Crafts movement, 1930s garden suburbs, composers such as Delius and Vaughan-Williams, the post-war national parks, to the Countryside Alliance of more recent times – but how to get that idea across to people who live in places with vast real estate, i.e the U.S.? It's also a bit of a downer for mainstream film audiences used to neatly tied-up endings. Ricadus (talk) 20:27, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
True. The film-makers (Jackson) view this part of Lord of the Rings as something extra, something tacked-on to the history of the war of the ring. What they miss is that the only reason the hobbits were involved was TO SAVE THE SHIRE. This is established in the books by frequent references to 'hobbit-sense', Sam's vision of trees being cut down in the Shire, Sam overcoming the power of the Ring by thinking of the Shire, etc. etc. Tolkien himself says that it's an important part of the book, foreseen from the beginning or words to that effect. In does in fact neatly tie up all the threads, at least IMHO. 24.27.31.170 (talk) 15:38, 20 July 2011 (UTC) Eric
And more importantly (in my view), and in any case present, and explicitly stated and commented upon: the Scouring of the Shire represents a "this is what you have been trained for"-moment.
Well, I guess you had to cut out something. Still... the Lord of the Rings is rather explicitly stated to be not a "there and back again" story, the way the Hobbit is.--2001:A60:150B:7301:2C3D:4A8F:260F:B2B0 (talk) 23:58, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

Wormtail[edit]

Wormtail is in Harry Potter it should be Wormtongue.(in bar on right side)

Merger proposal in The Return of the King[edit]

  • Agree, this is one particular chapter in the 6th book, contained in the third volume of the singular novel. Its significance easily can be explained within the context of Return of the King, including the fact that it is missing from the film adaptation. Group29 (talk) 19:34, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Oppose - better to List of Middle-earth wars and battles so that not to overcrowd the general article. Súrendil (talk) 16:23, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Oppose - I think it's absolutely right to list the Battle of Bywater in the List of Middle-earth wars and battles article but The Scouring of the Shire is much more than just the battle and therefore warrants its own article and should remain separate. I would also contend that due to its significance to the overall narrative of The Lord of the Rings, The Scouring of the Shire is one of the best known chapter titles in the entire trilogy, akin to the "Piper at the Gates of Dawn" chapter in The Wind in the Willows. It therefore almost certainly meets notability criteria. --Kohoutek1138 (talk) 11:50, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
  • Oppose per Kohoutek's reasoning. The article on The Return of the King is already too long, as is the List of Middle-earth wars and battles. De728631 (talk) 18:01, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Not included in film? Really?[edit]

There is a low-budget Finnish version of The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings, called Hobitit, which includes the scouring of the Shire. Please correct. — Preceding unsigned comment added by M^A^L (talkcontribs) 21:05, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

Please feel free to edit the article and add the content yourself, rather than telling others to do it for you. GimliDotNet (talk) 14:34, 7 January 2018 (UTC)